Stuck on a single loop circuit, two emfs and resistor

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving two batteries with given electromotive forces (emfs) and internal resistances, along with an unknown resistor 'R'. The participants are exploring how to determine the value of 'R' that would result in a zero terminal potential difference for one of the batteries.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of equations based on the circuit parameters, with one suggesting the need to find the short circuit current. Others question the necessity of solving for current 'i' and propose different equations to analyze the voltage across each battery.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in deriving equations and have reached a potential value for 'R'. However, there is ongoing discussion about the implications of a negative resistance value and its physical meaning, with one participant asserting that only one solution is valid based on circuit principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is categorized as harder difficulty in the textbook, suggesting that there may be underlying assumptions or complexities that are not immediately clear. The discussion also touches on the concept of negative resistance, which is questioned in the context of conventional circuit theory.

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Homework Statement


ε[1]=12v
internal resistance[1]=.016Ω
ε[2]=12v
internal resistance[2]=.012Ω

some unknown resistance 'R' in a stand alone resistor.

a) what value of 'R' will make the terminal-to-terminal potential difference of one of the batteries zero?
b) which battery would it be?
(picture below shows circuit)

Homework Equations


R = V/i

The Attempt at a Solution



I put together this equation:
ε[2] - ir[2] + ε - ir[1] - iR = 0
and continued to simplify to this:
i(.028 + R) = 24
The problem is I don't have a way to find 'i'...
Any ideas? This problem is marked as a three dot (harder difficulty) in my book, so I'm guessing there's an assumption I'm missing.

Thanks in advance,
Caleb
 

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What would short circuit current be, i.e. R = 0?
 
Why solve for i?

What is the equation for voltage across E1 to be zero? E2?

Could you come up with 2 equations with 2 unknowns (i and R) for either of those?
 
Alright, I think I got it.

I set V1 = ε1 - ir1 = 0
and got ε1 = ir1
and also
ε2 = ir2

Subbing 'i' into the equation I had simplified to above produces, for emf #1, I get R to equal .004Ω (which is what the back of the book says). Doing the same for emf #2, I get -.004Ω.

My only question now is about the negative. Doesn't a negative value on a resistor mean it encourages the flow of charge? Wouldn't that mean that the battery set to zero potential could be either one, just depending on the sign of R? (The book says battery one is the answer to part b.)

Thanks,
Caleb
 
For you, there is no such thing as a negative resistor, certainly not a dc negative resistor. So your only valid solution is for E1.

You've run into this sort of thing many times before, even in high school. For example, Pythagoras says c^2 = a^2 + b^2. But that equation has two solutions for c, and you know one of them is nonsensical.
 

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