Stunning Effectiveness Of Covid Vaccine

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I have mentioned it in passing before, but I reread it in a recent article, so thought I would post it for reference:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05-tiny-vaccine-breakthrough-covid-cases.html

In those vaccinated .0007% hospitalisations and .0001% deaths. Please keep these figures in mind when discussing vaccinations with others. And we have known for a long time the claims like 99.9% of cases are mild are wrong eg from over a year ago:
https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-survival-rates-5103495-May2020/

This sounds corny, but science was tested and found not wanting.

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And we have known for a long time the claims like 99.9% of cases are mild are wrong eg from over a year ago

How seriously should we "debunk the internet". I read on the internet that the Queen of England is an alient who can only maintain human form by drinking human blood. How much effort should we put into debunking that?

99.9% does not need extensive debunking: (1-99.9%) of the US population is 330K, which would be an absolute maximum of serious cases if this is true. The data for deaths - hard to get more serious than that - is 1.8x that. Done.

In fact, surveys show that the public thinks Covid is substantially more dangerous than it actually is, particularly among the non-elderly. How much effort should go into debunking that?
 
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I have mentioned it in passing before, but I reread it in a recent article, so thought I would post it for reference:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05-tiny-vaccine-breakthrough-covid-cases.html

In those vaccinated .0007% hospitalisations and .0001% deaths. Please keep these figures in mind when discussing vaccinations with others. And we have known for a long time the claims like 99.9% of cases are mild are wrong eg from over a year ago:
https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-survival-rates-5103495-May2020/

This sounds corny, but science was tested and found not wanting.

Thanks
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Cases have hit 7500 in a 24 hour period in the UK as numbers continue to rise.

Majority in hospital are unvaccinated but I do not have the study, just the article

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/no...covid-patients-hospital-unvaccinated-20740518
 
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I saw an interview these days which went along the following lines:

"How long, do you think, would it take to get a regular admission for an mRNA vaccine?"
"I wouldn't even call it a vaccine. It is a completely new process where people's own immune system is used."
"How long!"
"Eight to twelve years is a reasonable assumption."

Thank god there are emergency admissions and BionTech and Pfizer took their chance! I don't know what would have been more devastating: a 10-year full-blown pandemic, or a 10-year lockdown. And to all who like to demonish "Big Pharma": BionTech was basically run by literally a Bulgarian couple of scientists in Germany. Imagine their production rates without Pfizer. And some competitors have or had serious trouble with purity in their production process. We may discuss costs and prizes, but we cannot discuss size.
 
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I have mentioned it in passing before, but I reread it in a recent article, so thought I would post it for reference:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05-tiny-vaccine-breakthrough-covid-cases.html

In those vaccinated .0007% hospitalisations and .0001% deaths. Please keep these figures in mind when discussing vaccinations with others. And we have known for a long time the claims like 99.9% of cases are mild are wrong eg from over a year ago:
https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-survival-rates-5103495-May2020/

This sounds corny, but science was tested and found not wanting.

Thanks
Bill
One question I have: The people who get vaccinated are also the ones who take COVID-19 seriously, and so they social distance more and wear masks more. Would that not also contribute?
 
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One question I have: The people who get vaccinated are also the ones who take COVID-19 seriously, and so they social distance more and wear masks more. Would that not also contribute?
Almost certainly.
 
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One question I have: The people who get vaccinated are also the ones who take COVID-19 seriously, and so they social distance more and wear masks more. Would that not also contribute?
but people more vulnerable to COVID - the elderly, diabetics, other health conditions - are also more likely to have been vaccinated. The selection bias can go either way
 
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As the above shows, the issue is complex. I will be doing a post about Sydney and a report by the Actuarial Society of South Africa on lockdowns.
 
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The effectiveness of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot can drop to 83.7% within four to six months after getting the second dose of its vaccine. This is the latest indication that vaccine-induced immunity to the virus can wane and some kind of boost may be necessary in the future.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/p...ng-the-company-case-for-a-booster-11627579817
New research published Wednesday as a preprint indicates that the Pfizer Inc. shot provides 96.2% protection for the first two months, 90.1% effectiveness between the second and fourth months, and between 83.7% of protection for the fourth, fifth, and six months.

“We will need a booster eight to 12 months from the second dose,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said Wednesday, according to a FactSet transcript of the company’s second-quarter earnings call.
Moderna Inc., which developed the other FDA-authorized mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine, is also testing booster shots in clinical trials. It has been much quieter in its communication around a third shot.

Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf
ABSTRACT Background: BNT162b2 is a lipid nanoparticle-formulated, nucleoside-modified RNA vaccine encoding a prefusion-stabilized, membrane-anchored SARS-CoV-2 full-length spike protein. BNT162b2 is highly efficacious against COVID-19 and is currently authorized for emergency use or conditional approval worldwide. At the time of authorization, data beyond 2 months post-vaccination were unavailable.

Conclusion: With up to 6 months of follow-up and despite a gradually declining trend in vaccine efficacy, BNT162b2 had a favorable safety profile and was highly efficacious in preventing COVID-19. (ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728)
 
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