Substitution Methods for first order differential equations

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The discussion revolves around substitution methods for solving first order differential equations, specifically focusing on the equation xy' = y + 2*sqrt(xy) and a subsequent equation x(x+y)y' + y(3x+y) = 0. Participants explore various substitution techniques and their applications.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the appropriate substitution method for the first equation and seeks guidance on manipulation techniques. Other participants suggest isolating terms and using specific substitutions to transform the equations into separable forms. There is also a discussion about the effectiveness of multiplying through in the second equation and the recognition of substitution patterns.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering suggestions and exploring different approaches. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of substitutions and the need for integrating factors, although there is no explicit consensus on the best method for the second equation.

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There is mention of homework constraints and a suggestion that certain types of questions may be better suited for a different section of the forum. Participants express uncertainty about their approaches and the complexity of the problems.

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I have the following equation::

xy' = y + 2*sqrt(xy)

I know I should either use the F(y/x) substitute or Bernoulli's method of substitution but I'm not sure how to manipulate the equation to determine which it is.

If someone had some helpful tips on how to start, please let me know!
Thanks!
 
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1. First, isolate the y' term by dividing by x.

2. Use the substitution y=zx and the fact that \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dz}{dx}x+z to get the original DE to separable form.

3. Solve and express your answer in terms of y and x.
 
Thanks so much! Think I got it :)
 
You're welcome! You can always check your answer by differentiating and substituting back to the original DE.
 
thanks again! some of these are kind of tricky. I'm actually stuck on another now::

x(x+y)y' + y(3x+y) = 0

do you advise multiplying through these or not? I'm not very good at recognizing how to get started on these problems yet..
 
Actually, I now figured out that if you divide x throughout the equation, you can get a nice bunch of (y/x) functions to substitute v with! My answer doesn't quite seem right though..

(1+v)y' + v(3+v) = 0

substitute v = (y/x) ; y = vx

y' = (v+xv')

(1+v)(v+xv') + v(3+v) = 0

v+xv' = (-3v-v^2)/(1+v)

xv' = [-2v(v+2)]/(1+v)

(v+1)/(-2v^2-4v) dv = dx/x

then integrate... but it's kind of nasty which leads me to believe it's not quite right.
 
I think you need to make this equation exact by finding an integrating factor. Take a look at https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=482259" to follow the steps, if you need to. I found the solution to be x^3y+\frac{x^2y^2}{2}=c

Also, methinks this is not the right section to post questions of this kind (i.e. HW questions). Next time, post similar questions under howework section.
 
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