Subtracting AC Voltages for Audio Amp Simulation

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The discussion revolves around the calculations involved in small signal amplification for an audio amplifier simulation using LTspice. Participants are attempting to verify the relationship between input voltages and the resulting current through a transistor, specifically focusing on the calculation of the differential voltage between two nodes.

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  • One participant shares their calculations for the current IC1 based on the equation involving input voltage and transconductance, seeking validation of their results.
  • Another participant provides guidance on how to measure the differential voltage between nodes in LTspice, suggesting a method to obtain the voltage difference.
  • There is a correction regarding the units of voltage and current, with a participant noting that a voltage cannot be expressed in amps.
  • A participant calculates a theoretical current based on the differential voltage obtained from LTspice and questions the discrepancy with the simulation results.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and results obtained from the simulation, with no consensus reached on the accuracy of the values or the methods used.

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Participants are working with specific equations and simulation outputs, but there are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of results and the correctness of the calculations presented.

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Subtracting input voltages input to long tail pair
I am studying the calculations made for small signal amplification with in the web article http://www.ecircuitcenter.com/Circuits_Audio_Amp/Basic_Amplifier/Basic_Audio_Amplifier.htm.
I have created the simulation for the basic amplifier in Ltspice (attached)
I'm having a problem finding the calculating the difference in the input voltages, V2 and V3 to verify the equation
ic1 = vin · 1/2 · gm1 = vin · 1/2 · 0.0192 = vin · 0.0096 (A/V)

My calculations so far give a value for IC1 as 3.5 microamps which would point to a value of V(2,3) as 0.000365 amps.
Please help me to prove this value correct?
 
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PS how do i attach a Ltspice asc file, the forum won't allow me?
 
ntetlow said:
PS how do i attach a Ltspice asc file, the forum won't allow me?
Rename it .txt and mention in the text of your post that it needs to be changed back to .asc to run it in LTSpice.
 
berkeman said:
Rename it .txt and mention in the text of your post that it needs to be changed back to .asc to run it in LTSpice.
this is an asc file
 

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That works.
Label your nodes 2 and 3.
To measure differential voltage from 2 to 3, run, then click and drag node 2 to node 3.
Zoom the plot window, that will give you; V(2,3) = 42.5 uV Vpp.

ntetlow said:
My calculations so far give a value for IC1 as 3.5 microamps which would point to a value of V(2,3) as 0.000365 amps.
Please help me to prove this value correct?
A voltage V(2,3) cannot have the unit amps.
 
Thank you. I didn't know you could do that to get the voltage difference.
According to the above equation stated (ic1 = vin · 1/2 · gm1 = vin · 1/2 · 0.0192 = vin · 0.0096 (A/V))
then ic1 should equal 42.5uV pp X 0.0096 which gives 4.08E-7V.
Looking at ltspice it is showing as 7.2uA pp, what do you think?
 
Thank you. I didn't know you could do that to get the voltage difference. According to the above equation stated (ic1 = vin · 1/2 · gm1 = vin · 1/2 · 0.0192 = vin · 0.0096 (A/V)) then ic1 should equal 42.5uV pp X 0.0096 which gives 4.08E-7V. Looking at ltspice it is showing as 7.2uA pp, what do you think?

Reference: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/subtract-ac-voltages.1015880/
 

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