Sum to Infinity of a Geometric Series problem

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The problem involves a geometric series with a first term \( a \) and common ratio \( r \). The sum to infinity of the series is given as 12, while the sum to infinity of the squares of the terms is 48. Participants are tasked with finding the values of \( a \) and \( r \).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formula for the sum to infinity of a geometric series and its application to both the original series and the series of squares. There are attempts to manipulate the equations derived from these formulas to find \( a \) and \( r \). Some participants suggest dividing the equations to simplify the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants express confidence in their methods, while others seek clarification on potential errors in their reasoning. There is no explicit consensus yet on the values of \( a \) and \( r \>.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which includes specific values for the sums to infinity. There is an acknowledgment of the need to check assumptions regarding the common ratio being less than 1.

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Homework Statement



Q.: A geometric series has first term a and common ratio r. Its sum to infinity is 12. The sum to infinity of the squares of the terms of this geometric series is 48. Find the values of a and r.

Ans.: From textbook: a = 6, r = 1/ 2


Homework Equations



Eq.: S[itex]\infty[/itex] = [itex]\frac{a}{1 - r}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



S[itex]\infty[/itex] = [itex]\frac{a}{1 - r}[/itex] = 12
a = 12 ( 1 - r)
a = 12 - 12r
a = 1 - r

S[itex]\infty[/itex] = [itex]\frac{a^2}{1 - r^2}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{a^2}{1- (a^2r^2/ a^2)}[/itex] = 48
[itex]\frac{r^2 - 2r + 1}{1 - (r^2((1 -r)^2))/ ((1 - r)^2)}[/itex] = 48

[itex]\frac{r^2 - 2r + 1}{1 - ((r^2 - r^3)^2)/ (r^2 - 2r + 1)}[/itex] = 48

[itex]\frac{r^2 - 2r + 1}{1 - (r^6 - 2r^5 + r^4)/ (r^2 -2r + 1}[/itex] = 48

[itex]\frac{r^2 - 2r + 1}{1 - r^4 - 2r^4 + r^4}[/itex] = 48

[itex]\frac{r^2 - 2r + 1}{1}[/itex] = 48
r^2 - 2r + 1 -48
r^2 - 2r + 1 -47
(r - 47)(r - 1) ...?

from answer above, though, r should = 1/ 2.

Can anyone help me spot where I have gone wrong? Thank you.
 
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Okay, if "S" is a geometric series:
[tex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty ar^n= \frac{a}{1- r}[/tex]
with a and r, then the sum of squares,
[tex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty a^2 (r^n)^2= \sum_{n=0}^\infty a^2(r^2)^n[/tex]
is also a geometric series, with [itex]a^2[/itex] and [itex]r^2[/itex]
So, as you say,
[tex]\frac{a}{1- r}= 12[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{a^2}{1- r^2}= 48[/tex]

To solve that, I recommend dividing the second equation by the square of the first. (Recall that [itex]1- r^2= (1- r)(1+ r)[/itex].)
 
Hi odolwa99

I think there is a much easier way to solve the problem

Like you know the s infinity sum of a geometric serie of ratio <1 is a0(1-q) where a0 is the first term and q is the ratio

In our case the infinity sum is a/(1-r) = 12 -> a = 12(1-r)

Now see: The sum of the squares is also a geometric serie, first term a² and ratio r², so the sum is

a²/(1-r²) = 48 -> a² = 48(1-r²)

So 144(1-r)² = 48(1-r²) -> 3(1-r)=(1+r) -> r = 1/2
 
Ah, fantastic. Thank you very much. Btw, I'm getting used to latex so that's why the question has changed apppearance, and thanks to everyone for your help.
 

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