Summation equation for odd numbers?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter aeonsky
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Numbers Summation
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a summation formula for the sum of all odd integers between 1 and a given odd integer n. Participants explore various approaches, examples, and related mathematical properties without reaching a consensus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the sum of all integers from 1 to n is given by \(\sum_{i=1}^{n} i\) and seeks a similar expression for odd integers.
  • Another participant suggests subtracting the sum of even integers from the sum of all integers to find the sum of odd integers up to an odd integer \(2k + 1\).
  • A participant clarifies that they are looking for the sum of all odd integers specifically between 1 and an odd integer n, providing examples of sums for specific values.
  • One participant proposes a formula \((N+1)(N+1)/4\) for the sum of odd integers, but notes it is not a summation formula.
  • Another participant derives the sum of odd integers from the sum of all integers and even integers, leading to a closed form involving \(k\), where \(n = 2k + 1\).
  • Some participants mention that the sum of the first k odd numbers results in \(k^2\), providing examples and suggesting induction as a method of proof.
  • There are multiple methods discussed for calculating the sum of odd integers, including using the average of the first and last numbers in an arithmetic sequence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to derive the summation formula for odd integers, and no consensus is reached regarding a single formula or method. Various methods and examples are presented without agreement on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' contributions rely on specific assumptions about the nature of n (whether it is odd or even) and the definitions of summation limits, which remain unresolved.

aeonsky
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
\sum_{i=1}^{n} i is the sum of all numbers between 1 and n.

I'm trying to find one for odd numbers where you need to find the sum of all odd numbers between 1 and n.

I tried 2n+1 which worked, only for first n numbers, not for numbers 1 to n.

Thanks for the help.
 
Last edited:
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Here is the sum of all the integers from 1 to an odd integer 2k + 1.
\sum_{i=1}^{2k + 1} i
To find the sum of the odd integers from 1 to 2k + 1, just subtract the sum of the even integers from the sum of all of the integers from 1 to 2k + 1.

For example, if you want the sum of the first 6 odd integers you can do this:
1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 = 1 + 2 + ... + 11 - (2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 10).

Presumably you know a formula for the sum of the first k integers. The expression in parentheses is 2(1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5).
 
I don't think I am quite looking for that.

I need to find the sum of all odd integers between 1 and odd integer n.

Thus, if you need to find (3), the sum will be 4. (5), the sum will be 9. (7), the sum will be 16.

I found the formula (N+1)(N+1)/4 where n is the odd integer, but not the summation formula.

By the way, is it appropriate to have an expression for the top limit for summations?
 
If n is odd then n = 2k + 1 for some integer k. So the sum becomes \sum_{i=0}^{k} (2i + 1). Now find k in terms of n, and hence a closed form.
 
aeonsky said:
By the way, is it appropriate to have an expression for the top limit for summations?

Yes.
 
aeonsky said:
I don't think I am quite looking for that.

I need to find the sum of all odd integers between 1 and odd integer n.

Thus, if you need to find (3), the sum will be 4. (5), the sum will be 9. (7), the sum will be 16.

I found the formula (N+1)(N+1)/4 where n is the odd integer, but not the summation formula.

By the way, is it appropriate to have an expression for the top limit for summations?
What Mark44 gave you will certainly help. The sum of all integers from 1 to n is, of course, n(n+1)/2. The sum of all even integers from 1 to n, assuming for the moment that n is even, n= 2k, is 2+ 4+ 6+ ...+ 2k-2+ 2k= 2(1+ 2+ 3+ ...+ (k-1)+ k) and its sum is 2[k(k+1)/2)= k(k+1). The sum of all odd numbers, from 1 to 2k+1, is the sum of all integers from 1 to 2k+1, (2k+1)(2k+2)/2= (2k+1)(k+1), minus the sum of even integers from 1 to 2k: the sum of all odd integers from 1 to 2k+1 is (2k+1)(k+1)- k(k+1)= (k+1)(2k+1-k)= (k+1)2.

Interesting result isn't it? Yes, 1+ 3= 4, 1+ 3+ 5= 9, 1+ 3+ 5+ 7= 16, etc. all squares.

Another reason why the sum of odd integers is a square:

The sum of odd numbers from 1 to 2k+1 is just an arithmetic series with "common difference" 2. An arithmetic sequence has the nice property that the average of all the numbers is just the average of the first and last numbers. Here the first and last numbers are 1 and 2k+ 1 so their average is (1+ 2k+ 1)/2= (2k+2)/2= k+ 1. There are, of course, k+1 odd numbers from 1 to 2k+1 so their sum is the average times the number of odd numbers, (k+1)(k+1)= (k+1)2.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Examples can easily handled this problem:
1 = 1^2
1+3 = 4=2^2
1+3+5 = 9 = 3^2.
However, to prove it you can use induction.
 
I don't know the equation, but, the sum of odd numbers 1 to n is equal to the square of however many odd numbers your adding together. The sum of the odd numbers from 1 to 19, the first 10 odd numbers, is 100. The sum of the first 30 is 900, the first 1000 odd numbers add up to 1,000,000.
 
Mark44 said:
To find the sum of the odd integers from 1 to 2k + 1, just subtract the sum of the even integers from the sum of all of the integers from 1 to 2k + 1.

For example, if you want the sum of the first 6 odd integers you can do this:
1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 = 1 + 2 + ... + 11 - (2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 10).

Yet another way to get to the same place, is to imagine the sum of the first, say, 6 odd numbers, 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11, as equal to the sum of the first 6 *even* numbers, 2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 10 + 12 = 2(1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6)... but then subtracting one for each number you added (6, in this case).

In the general case, the sum of the first 'k' odd numbers is the sum of the first 'k' even numbers, minus 'k': that is, k(k+1) - k = k^2.

P.S. Oh gosh, the thread was 2 years old... Nevermind.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
921
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K