Summation of a trigonometric series

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the limit of a series involving the cosine function, specifically \(\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} \cos(i \theta / n)\) for \(0 \leq \theta \leq \frac{\pi}{2}\). Participants explore whether this series converges to a function of \(\theta\) and the implications of their findings on related physics problems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the notation used in the series and question its convergence. Some express confusion about the series' structure and its relation to integrals. Others suggest that the series may be approximating an integral and explore the implications of dividing by \(n^2\).

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some have suggested that the series may not converge, while others propose that it could be interpreted as a Riemann sum. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the series and integral calculus.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that the series is related to a physics problem involving trebuchets, indicating that the mathematical exploration is tied to practical applications. There is also a concern about the accuracy of notation and understanding of calculus concepts among participants.

fLambda
Messages
6
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Find the limit of the series \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} cos (i \theta / n), 0≤θ≤π/2

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the expansion looks like \cos \theta / n + cos 2 \theta / n + ... + cos \theta, but I couldn't begin to guess how to state this as a function of θ. It doesn't even look like it converges. To be honest I think I may have derived the series incorrectly, because it should converge on a value. My main question is whether it will converge on a function of θ, and if so, how I might look for it.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I'm no expert, but I'm trying to figure this out and I'm a little confused by your notation. Why is there an 'i' and an 'n' in your series term?
 
fLambda said:

Homework Statement



Find the limit of the series \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} cos (i \theta / n), 0≤θ≤π/2

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the expansion looks like \cos \theta / n + cos 2 \theta / n + ... + cos \theta, but I couldn't begin to guess how to state this as a function of θ. It doesn't even look like it converges. To be honest I think I may have derived the series incorrectly, because it should converge on a value. My main question is whether it will converge on a function of θ, and if so, how I might look for it.

You are right. It doesn't converge. You can tell just by looking at it. As n->infinity, θ/n goes to 0 so cos(θ/n) goes to 1. I can say the same thing about 2θ/n. For large n you have an awful lot of terms close to 1 and the rest are positive. It diverges.
 
Last edited:
I probably did the notation wrong. I was aiming to describe the expansion I gave as a series sum but I wouldn't be close to stunned if I did it wrong (all of my series knowledge is self-taught and scantily so).

What I was aiming at was, "I want to split an angle θ into n equal angles, then get n distinct angles by multiplying θ/n by all the integers i from 1 to n. Then I want to take the cosine of each angle iθ/n and take the sum of all those cosines, then take the limit of that sum as n goes to infinity."

I was also reviewing my notes and I missed a step at the end: once I have this sum of cos iθ/n as n goes to infinity, I want to divide it by n^2. So it actually should converge on a function of θ, I think. Anything you can suggest or even any tutorials anyone knows of on this kind of series would be staggeringly helpful.
 
fLambda said:
I probably did the notation wrong. I was aiming to describe the expansion I gave as a series sum but I wouldn't be close to stunned if I did it wrong (all of my series knowledge is self-taught and scantily so).

What I was aiming at was, "I want to split an angle θ into n equal angles, then get n distinct angles by multiplying θ/n by all the integers i from 1 to n. Then I want to take the cosine of each angle iθ/n and take the sum of all those cosines, then take the limit of that sum as n goes to infinity."

I was also reviewing my notes and I missed a step at the end: once I have this sum of cos iθ/n as n goes to infinity, I want to divide it by n^2. So it actually should converge on a function of θ, I think. Anything you can suggest or even any tutorials anyone knows of on this kind of series would be staggeringly helpful.

Its pretty easy to show the sum from 1 to n is less than or equal to n. So if you divide by n^2 it converges all right. To zero. What problem are you actually trying to solve? Is it a Riemann sum?
 
fLambda said:
"I want to split an angle θ into n equal angles, then get n distinct angles by multiplying θ/n by all the integers i from 1 to n. Then I want to take the cosine of each angle iθ/n and take the sum of all those cosines, then take the limit of that sum as n goes to infinity."

This is just an off-the-wall reaction, but isn't this series the same as \int^{\theta}_{0} cos \theta d\theta
From what I can tell, your splitting θ into infinitesimally small pieces (i.e. dθ's) and then summing them from \frac{i\theta}{n} = 0 to \frac{i\theta}{n} = \theta.
How is this different than taking the integral over [0, θ]?
 
bossman27 said:
This is just an off-the-wall reaction, but isn't this series the same as \int^{\theta}_{0} cos \theta d\theta
From what I can tell, your splitting θ into infinitesimally small pieces (i.e. dθ's) and then summing them from \frac{i\theta}{n} = 0 to \frac{i\theta}{n} = \theta.
How is this different than taking the integral over [0, θ]?

It would be that if there were a factor of 1/n in front of the sum. You need to multiply the values by the length of each interval.
 
This actually came out of an analysis of trebuchets I'm doing for physics class. I'm trying to use this series sum (really the integral you've been describing, but I've been avoiding that because my calculus is weak) times a gravitational field strength and a length and mass of a pivoting arm to find the work done by gravity on a point mass on that arm. I'm evidently a little out of my depth with the math, but the rest of it is going fine so I want to press forward with this method. Do you recommend I just brush up my integration or even just consult an integral table?
 
fLambda said:
This actually came out of an analysis of trebuchets I'm doing for physics class. I'm trying to use this series sum (really the integral you've been describing, but I've been avoiding that because my calculus is weak) times a gravitational field strength and a length and mass of a pivoting arm to find the work done by gravity on a point mass on that arm. I'm evidently a little out of my depth with the math, but the rest of it is going fine so I want to press forward with this method. Do you recommend I just brush up my integration or even just consult an integral table?

First try and figure out where your physics analysis missed a factor of 1/n. If you can find it, then, sure. It's MUCH easier to work out the integral of cos(t) from 0 to theta than to sum your series and find the limit. You'd need to use complex exponentials and geometric series to do that.
 
  • #10
Okay, looking at my physics, it looks like the series expansion should look like \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (1/n) (cos \theta / n + cos 2 \theta / n +...+ cos \theta). Does this help? Thanks, by the way, for the help and the patience. I was a little nervous about posting this because I know my notation is shaky and my integration is worse, so thanks for being kind!
 
  • #11
fLambda said:
Okay, looking at my physics, it looks like the series expansion should look like \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (1/n) (cos \theta / n + cos 2 \theta / n +...+ cos \theta). Does this help? Thanks, by the way, for the help and the patience. I was a little nervous about posting this because I know my notation is shaky and my integration is worse, so thanks for being kind!

No problem. With the factor of 1/n it is a Riemann sum approximation to the integral of cos(t) from 0 to theta. So that is the limit as n->infinity. Doing the calculus is much easier than evaluating the limiting sum. That's what calculus is for. If you are doing physics I really think it would be better to take that route.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K