Summing Weird Series: A Basic Understanding

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The discussion revolves around the concept of summing series and integration, particularly focusing on the integration of the function f(x) = √x over the interval [0, 1]. Participants explore the relationship between Riemann sums, integration, and finding antiderivatives, while also addressing the challenges of summing series with changing ratios.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about summing a series where the ratio changes, specifically relating to the function f(x) = √x.
  • Another participant explains the use of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus to compute the integral of √x, providing the antiderivative and the result of the integration.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how the derivative of (2/3)x^(3/2) is determined, questioning whether it is a matter of trial and error or if there is a more intuitive method.
  • Another participant notes that finding an antiderivative is generally more challenging than finding a derivative, suggesting the use of the power rule for integration as a straightforward method.
  • One participant reflects on the intuitive understanding of derivatives and antiderivatives, proposing that the relationship between them can be conceptualized in terms of measuring changes between points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to understanding antiderivatives, with some expressing uncertainty about the process while others provide explanations and methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most intuitive way to find antiderivatives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the ease of finding antiderivatives and the reliance on specific rules like the power rule, which may not apply universally.

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I have a rudimentary understanding of integration as it applies to finding the area under a curve. I get the idea of adding up the areas of progressively smaller rectangles to approach the area, and that at an infinite number of rectangles the areas would be exactly the same. Right now I'm just playing around with the idea and I'm curious about how to sum up n number of things if the ratio between each one changes.

For example, I've drawn a graph of f(x) = [tex]\sqrt{x}[/tex] between 0 and 1. Now this isn't like a geometric series where I can find the sum using [tex]S_{n}=a_{1}(1-r^{n})/1-r[/tex], because r changes. I have discovered that [tex]a_{n} = a_{1}\sqrt{n}[/tex]. I have played around with the ratios and discovered some interesting patterns that emerge, and I have found a complicated way to sum up two objects, but it is really more work than just doing the sum directly, and there'd be no way to do it when [tex]n=\infty[/tex].

Sorry for such a basic question, but how are things like this summed?
 
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The idea of integration as the limit of Riemann sums can be used to determine what functions are integrable and can be used as a guide to setting up integrals in applications. But in fact, for all except the simplest examples, we use the "Fundamental Theorem of Calculus"-
[tex]\int_a^b f(x) dx= F(b)- F(a)[/itex]<br /> where F(x) is any function having f(x) as derivative- F is an "anti-derivative" of f. <br /> <br /> In this particular case, to find <br /> [tex]\int_0^1\sqrt{x}dx= \int x^{\frac{1}{2}}dx[/tex]<br /> I would note that the derivative of [itex](2/3)x^{3/2}[/itex] is [itex](2/3)(3/2)x^{3/2- 1}= x^{1/2}[/itex] so I can take [itex]f(x)= x^{1/2}[/itex] and [itex]F(x)= (2/3)x^{3/2}[/itex].<br /> [tex]\int_0^1\sqrt{x}dx= (2/3)(1^{3/2}- 0^{3/2})= 2/3[/itex][/tex][/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
In this particular case, to find
[tex]\int_0^1\sqrt{x}dx= \int x^{\frac{1}{2}}dx[/tex]
I would note that the derivative of [itex](2/3)x^{3/2}[/itex] is [itex](2/3)(3/2)x^{3/2- 1}= x^{1/2}[/itex]

Thanks for the response. I sort of understand it, except for where the derivative of [itex](2/3)x^{3/2}[/itex] comes from. I mean, is it just something that one has to work out until you find an antiderivative that equals [tex]\sqrt{x}[/tex], or is there some more basic and natural way that this comes about?
 
It is exactly for this reason that finding a primitive is a lot harder in general than finding a derivative. However in this case you can just use the power rule for integrating polynomials.

[tex] \int x^n dx=\frac{1}{1+n} x^{n+1},\;\;n \neq -1[/tex]

In word, raise the power of your integrand by 1 then divide through the new power.
 
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DecayProduct said:
Thanks for the response. I sort of understand it, except for where the derivative of [itex](2/3)x^{3/2}[/itex] comes from. I mean, is it just something that one has to work out until you find an antiderivative that equals [tex]\sqrt{x}[/tex], or is there some more basic and natural way that this comes about?

I guess one way you could think of it is that if you had a derivative function which measures all the changes between two points, adding up all the changes between these points gives the normal function value. In this case the derivative function is just that and the anti derivative is the function value. Its kind of intuitive if you think of it in that way and then calculus just has to make sense.
 

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