Super-Earths around binary dwarf stars

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The discussion revolves around the creation of a fictional rocky planet, significantly larger than Earth, orbiting a binary dwarf star system. Participants explore various aspects of this world, including its flora, fauna, gravity, magnetosphere, and potential inhabitants, while incorporating elements from different genres and speculative ideas.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Creative world-building

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the flora and fauna could range from traditional to unconventional, depending on the creator's vision.
  • There is a proposal to include various fantasy races such as humans, elves, and ogres, along with unique species like Todi and Morrix.
  • Participants discuss the gravity of the planet, noting that it depends on size and density rather than the type of parent stars, with some arguing that a planet 15 times Earth's size could have significantly higher gravity.
  • One participant questions how fast rotation might affect gravity at the equator, suggesting a scenario involving a past collision.
  • There is a discussion about the magnetosphere, with ideas about making it similar to Earth's under hypothetical conditions, and suggestions for its effects on technology and environment.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of density on gravity, referencing examples from known planets like Saturn and Jupiter.
  • Creative ideas are proposed, such as making glass glow and incorporating superconductive technology into the planet's design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement on various points, particularly regarding the effects of size and density on gravity, as well as the feasibility of certain technological concepts. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical aspects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the planet's composition and the effects of rotation on gravity, as well as the speculative nature of the proposed technologies and biological forms.

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I may be writing a story, set on a rocky planet, 15 times the size of Earth, around a binary dwarf star (one red, one orange). What kind of flora and fauna can I expect?
 
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Well, the flora and fauna will vary depending on the type of vegetation you choose i.e. if you want the time-honoured traditional slimy one-eyed species or want to create something fresh, new and unconventional.
 
Actually, I want something a little more true to life.
 
On the other hand, how about combining Star Wars, Space: 1889, and D&D?
 
I also know thar the sky will, most likely, be orange.
 
And, how about these races:

Human

Elf

Half Elf

Halfling

Ogre

Gnome

Dwarf

Goblin
 
How about this for a currency:

15 florins = 1 ducat

30 ducats = 1 kreutzer

Electrum = 1

Copper = 3

Silver = 5

Gold = 10
 
Sorry I got carried away.
 
RyderP said:
And, how about these races:

Human

Elf

Half Elf

Halfling

Ogre

Gnome

Dwarf

Goblin
Add the Todi (insectoids) and the Morrix (delphinoids).
shihab-kol said:
Well, the flora and fauna will vary depending on the type of vegetation you choose i.e. if you want the time-honoured traditional slimy one-eyed species or want to create something fresh, new and unconventional.
 
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How much gravity can I expect from a planet orbiting a red and an orange dwarf star?
 
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RyderP said:
How much gravity can I expect from a planet orbiting a red and an orange dwarf star?
Gravity of a planet does not depend on the type of the parent star(s).
All that matters is its size and density. So...
RyderP said:
15 times the size of Earth
If you mean 15 times the radius, and assume the same or very similar composition, then it'd by 15 times Earth's gravity. At that size, the planet would also be unlikely to be a terrestial planet any more. It would likely be a dwarf star itself, actually.

However, if you mean 15 times the surface area, then the planet would be approx 4 times larger than Earth in terms of radius, and with 4 times the gravity. You could fudge the density a bit to bring the gravity to about 3g, but anything lower than that would be improbable.

As a rule of thumb, you get as many times higher/lower gravity as many times the planet (its radius) is larger/smaller than Earth's.
 
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How much could you reduce gravity at the equator by having the planet rotate very fast? Perhaps due to a collision 10 million years ago. You'd then have an obviously non round planet, and lots of heavier elements in the crust.
 
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So, 3G's okay?
 
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And, what about the magnetosphere?
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Gravity of a planet does not depend on the type of the parent star(s).
All that matters is its size and density. So...

If you mean 15 times the radius, and assume the same or very similar composition, then it'd by 15 times Earth's gravity. At that size, the planet would also be unlikely to be a terrestial planet any more. It would likely be a dwarf star itself, actually.

However, if you mean 15 times the surface area, then the planet would be approx 4 times larger than Earth in terms of radius, and with 4 times the gravity. You could fudge the density a bit to bring the gravity to about 3g, but anything lower than that would be improbable.

As a rule of thumb, you get as many times higher/lower gravity as many times the planet (its radius) is larger/smaller than Earth's.

You can use the surface gravity equation
g = 4π/3 × G ×ρ × r
Four thirds pi times gravitational constant times density times radius. So a planet with Earth's density, 5514 kg/m3, and 15x radius you get:
g = 4.19 × 6.674 10-11× 5514 × (15 ×6371000) = 147.
Which is also 15x Earth's gravity.

However, that rule of thumb does not work. Saturn has around 1g and radius 10x Earth's radius because Saturn is has a lot of hydrogen and Earth has a lot of iron. Jupiter has a lot of hydrogen too but 15x radius and 2.5x gravity. Mars has 0.38g and 0.5 radius and is similar to Earth in composition. Mercury comes close to your thumb with .38g and .38 radius but only because Mercury has more iron and Earth has a lot of oxygen and silicon.

A 15x radius iron planet will compress the electrons in the core. A planet made out of the same materials as Earth does has a much higher density.
 
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RyderP said:
So, 3G's okay?
3g is acceptable. Magnetosphere should not be a problem.

stefan r said:
However, that rule of thumb does not work.
It works for terrestial planets - i.e. under the somewhat stretched assumption of Earth's density. If you want to add density to the mix, then it's another simple linear relationship.
 
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I was thinking of making the magnetosphere of the planet more like what Earth's would have been, if Tesla had his way.
 
  • #18
So that only longwave, shortwave, and hyperspace radio work. And local comm systems are provided by direct use of the magnetosphere.
 
  • #19
make it strong enough to allow superconductor speeder bikes.
 
  • #20
And make glass glow, while we're at it. Why not?
 
  • #21
doesn;t all glass glow when you shine lights on it?

edit, I forgot your original plan. Your dwarfs should have supercondutive armor plates. than they can float.
 
  • #22
I'm afraid I don't understand your edit.
 
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RyderP said:
I'm afraid I don't understand your edit.
You said you have dwarfs. All dwarfs must have armor.
 

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