Supergravity and local symmetry

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between supergravity, local symmetries, and general relativity (GR). Participants explore the implications of treating supersymmetry and the Poincaré algebra as local symmetries, and how this relates to the formulation of gravity as a gauge theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that supersymmetry is generally considered a global symmetry but can be treated as a local symmetry, leading to supergravity, which incorporates local translation invariance.
  • Another participant asserts that assuming local supersymmetry automatically leads to general relativity, indicating a strong connection between the two theories.
  • There is a claim that gravity can be viewed as a gauge theory with the Poincaré group as its gauge group, suggesting a unique characterization due to the Coleman-Mandula theorem.
  • Participants inquire about the development of GR in a manner analogous to non-Abelian gauge fields, with references to historical figures and advanced texts that address this approach.
  • One participant mentions that 't Hooft and Veltmann's work on gauge theories was initially motivated by gravity, indicating a historical link between these fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express agreement on the connection between supergravity and general relativity through local symmetries, but the discussion remains open regarding the treatment of GR as a gauge theory and the existence of suitable introductory resources.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference advanced texts and historical contexts, but there is no consensus on accessible introductory materials for the treatment of GR in the context of gauge theories.

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In chapter 4 of Bailin & Love, Supersymmetric gauge field theory and string theory, the authors state that supersymmetry is considered a global symmetry, and we can separately consider it to be a local symmetry. Further, since the supersymmetry algebra contains [itex]P^\mu[/itex], the generator of translations, we would also get local translation invariance, and this is a theory of gravitation, as per GR, and is called supergravity.

I just wanted to ask, that the Poincaré algebra also contains the generator of translations (of course), and if we take that to be a local symmetry, do we just get GR plain and simple? Or something else?
 
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Hopefully I understood your question. You get SUPER GR. This is what supergravity is :) That's why people were so excited about SUGRA in the 1980's. Just by assuming supersymmetry, and demanding that it be a local symmetry, you automatically get GR.

Also, check out a book by Binetruy. That is the best SUSY/SUGRA book I've found. And depending on what you want out of your reading, you can also check out Terning's book, which is largely available for free on spires. (It's more or less his 2001 TASI lectures.)
 
Yes! Gravity can be thought of as a "gauge theory with gauge group being the Poincare group." Furthermore, thanks to Coleman-Mandula theorem, it is unique!

BenTheMan: I think you mean John's TASI-2002 lectures (?)
 
blechman said:
Yes! Gravity can be thought of as a "gauge theory with gauge group being the Poincare group."

Is there any treatment where GR has been developed in the way we normally deal with non-Abelian gauge fields?
 
masudr said:
Is there any treatment where GR has been developed in the way we normally deal with non-Abelian gauge fields?

sure, the notion goes back to the beginnings of gauge theory. In fact, 't Hooft and Veltmann who proved renormalizability for gauge theories were actually interested in gravity, and were using gauge theories as a "warm-up" problem. Some warm-up, eh?!

A very good, but very advanced book that attacks GR in this way is Tomas Ortin's text "Gravity and Strings" - but it is quite a challenging text. The subject is very nontrivial. I do not know of any good introductions or review articles, unfortunately, but I'm sure there must be some out there. I'll leave it to other experts to make suggestions...
 

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