Superior implicit differentiation, prove answer.

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The discussion revolves around proving a second derivative expression derived from the implicit differentiation of the equation 2XY = Y^2. Participants are exploring the correctness of their differentiation steps and the implications of variable notation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss their differentiation attempts, specifically focusing on the substitution of dy/dx and the simplification process. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the final expression and the impact of variable notation.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the correctness of the differentiation steps, noting where errors may have occurred in simplification. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these errors and how they affect the final result.

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There is a mention of confusion regarding the capitalization of variables in the original equation, which may influence interpretation. Additionally, participants are working within the constraints of homework guidelines that require them to show their reasoning without providing complete solutions.

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Homework Statement


[tex]2XY = Y^2 prove that y''2 = \frac{y^{2}-2xy}{(y-x)^3}[/tex]
EDIT: Sorry, don't know how to insert a space in Latex.

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[tex]2y+2x \frac{dy}{dx} = 2y \frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}(2y-2x) = 2y[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{y}{y-x}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{\frac{dy}{dx}(y-x)-(\frac{dy}{dx}-1)y}{(y-x)^2}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}= \frac{y^2}{(y-x)^3}[/tex]Is my work correct? If yes, then the question itself is wrong.
In the original equation (2XY = Y2) does it matters that the letters are caps?
 
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Your work is correct up to the last line. But the given solution is the correct one. Looks like something went wrong when you substituted your expression for dy/dx in and simplified.
 
Plugging in gives me:
((y/y-x)(y-x)-((y/y-x)-1)y)/((y-x)2)
Simplifiying:
(y-(y2/(y-x))-y))/((y-x)2)
(-y2/(y-x))/((y-x)2)

Different than my first try (now it's negative), but still I don't know how to the the -2xy in there.
 
Sakha said:
Plugging in gives me:
((y/y-x)(y-x)-((y/y-x)-1)y)/((y-x)2)
Simplifiying:
(y-(y2/(y-x))-y))/((y-x)2)
(-y2/(y-x))/((y-x)2)

Different than my first try (now it's negative), but still I don't know how to the the -2xy in there.

In y-(y^2/(y-x)-y) the y's don't cancel. It's minus of a minus.
 
Got it, my mistake was that I moved the (y-x) that was in the numerator as a denumerator before adding fractions. And the wrong minus of a minus that you pointed.
Thanks.
 

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