Superman created virtual particles?

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The discussion revolves around the portrayal of virtual particles in the comic Superman/Batman #80, specifically questioning the energy required for Superman to generate virtual particles using his heat vision. Participants explore the scientific validity of the comic's depiction and the nature of virtual particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that virtual particles are a mathematical fiction and do not exist in a physical sense, suggesting that the comic's depiction is not scientifically accurate.
  • Others propose that while virtual particles may not be observable, they are a useful concept in quantum mechanics.
  • A participant questions how much energy would be needed to cause a real particle to collide with its antiparticle, suggesting that very little energy is required due to the nature of particle interactions.
  • Some participants emphasize that the comic book should not be taken seriously in terms of scientific accuracy, reiterating that it is a work of fiction.
  • There is a suggestion that Superman does not create virtual particles but instead turns them into real particles that can annihilate, generating radiation.
  • Another participant notes that the concept of "pushing" virtual particles together is meaningless due to their lack of defined positions or trajectories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of virtual particles, with some asserting they do not exist while others argue for their conceptual utility in physics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the scientific interpretation of virtual particles in the context of the comic.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of virtual particles, the distinction between fiction and fantasy, and the unresolved nature of energy requirements for particle interactions.

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Comic is Superman/Batman #80

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Superman explains that virtual particles are always spontaneous generated

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And that he's using his heat vision to (excite) the vacuum in order to accelerate the process. He's generating more virtual particles

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So my question is, how much energy or heat did he have to use in order to create virtual particles, so they would annihilate themselves with the antiparticles?
 

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It's a comic book, not a textbook. The science isn't right, but it's not about the science.
 
RosutoTakeshi said:
So my question is, how much energy or heat did he have to use in order to create virtual particles ...
None, since it's not possible. Virtual particles don't exist. They are a mathematical fiction. That's what "virtual" means in this context.

You really should not take the "physics" of comic books seriously.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
It's a comic book, not a textbook. The science isn't right, but it's not about the science.

I know it's not a textbook
 
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phinds said:
None, since it's not possible. Virtual particles don't exist. They are a mathematical fiction. That's what "virtual" means in this context.

You really should not take the "physics" of comic books seriously.

Not taking it seriously at all. That's why this post is listed in the "science fiction" category
 
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Now that we've gotten the obvious out of the way, I'll change the question

What amount of energy would it take to cause a (real) particle to collide with its antiparticle pair? Or is this not possible at all?
 
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RosutoTakeshi said:
Now that we've gotten the obvious out of the way, I'll change the question
People assume you mean what you say and we are not mind readers. We answered the question you asked. It was in no way "obvious" that you already knew that your question was meaningless.
What amount of energy would it take to cause a (real) particle to collide with its antiparticle pair? Or is this not possible at all?
Very little because you don't need to push them together or anything. They LIKE joining up and annihilating each other, at least to the extent that quantum objects enjoy anything (most of them are just grumpy). The problem would be getting them to move around and I think you do that with magnetic fields that could, in the case of single particles already close to each other, probably be quite weak.
 
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phinds said:
People assume you mean what you say and we are not mind readers. We answered the question you asked. It was in no way "obvious" that you already knew that your question was meaningless.

Doesn't take a mind reader. And it was obvious to me, since this post is listed in the (Science fiction) category. But I'll do better at explaining next time

phinds said:
Very little because you don't need to push them together or anything. They LIKE joining up and annihilating each other, at least to the extent that quantum objects enjoy anything (most of them are just grumpy). The problem would be getting them to move around and I think you do that with magnetic fields that could, in the case of single particles already close to each other, probably be quite weak

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. I appreciate it
 
Virtual particles have neither positions nor trajectories, so the concept of "pushing them together" is meaningless. As such, any discussion on how much energy it takes to accomplish it is meaningless as well.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
It's a comic book, not a textbook. The science isn't right, but it's not about the science.
phinds said:
None, since it's not possible. Virtual particles don't exist. They are a mathematical fiction. That's what "virtual" means in this context.

You really should not take the "physics" of comic books seriously.
One may want to distinguish between Fiction and Fantasy.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Virtual particles have neither positions nor trajectories, so the concept of "pushing them together" is meaningless. As such, any discussion on how much energy it takes to accomplish it is meaningless as well.
Got it. Understood
 
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symbolipoint said:
One may want to distinguish between Fiction and Fantasy.
That's a good point. I don't read much fantasy beyond Tolkien and tend to have a mindset towards science fiction instead of fantasy.
 
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What are you talking about? Virtual particles exist, they just can't be observed. Where do you think an electron gets its intrinsic angular momentum?

Virtual particles

The thing is, superman doesn't create virtual particles. That is a common misconception. Superman actually turns virtual particles into real particles by his laser eye beam and then causes those real particles to annihilate, producing a bunch of radiation.
 
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Alright whatever
 
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