Supernova that created our solar system

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The discussion centers around the origins of our solar system, specifically the role of supernovae in its formation and the possibility of locating remnants such as black holes or neutron stars from these events. Participants explore the implications of multiple supernovae contributing to the solar system's composition and the challenges in identifying any remnants after billions of years.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that our solar system was formed from ejected matter from supernovae, but the exact contributions from specific supernovae remain uncertain.
  • Others argue that heavy elements in our solar system may not originate from a single supernova, and the age of the solar system complicates the search for remnants.
  • A participant notes that it is highly probable multiple supernovae contributed to the mix, making it difficult to find remnants of these stars.
  • There is speculation about whether neutron star remnants still exist or have undergone further catastrophic events.
  • Some express interest in the possibility of identifying stars that were born in the same region as our solar system, as mentioned in articles from Scientific American or Sky & Telescope.
  • A participant highlights the challenges in locating neutron star remnants due to their high velocities post-explosion, which can alter their paths significantly.
  • It is mentioned that one supernova is widely believed to have made the most significant contribution of heavy elements to the solar system, with references to academic sources.
  • Another participant discusses the common velocities of stars in the neighborhood and the implications for spatial correlation over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that multiple supernovae likely contributed to the solar system's formation, but there is no consensus on the specifics of these contributions or the feasibility of locating remnants. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact origins and current status of potential neutron star remnants.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the specific contributions of individual supernovae, the challenges of tracking remnants over billions of years, and the potential for remnants to have left the galaxy entirely.

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I understand that our solar system was created from the ejected matter from a super nova. Is it possible to find the location of the black hole or neutron star that formed as a result of this super nova?
 
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Boliver said:
I understand that our solar system was created from the ejected matter from a super nova. Is it possible to find the location of the black hole or neutron star that formed as a result of this super nova?

I believe you misunderstand the point. Heavy elements (heavier than iron) are created in supernova explosions. These elements (in our solar system) didn't necessarily come from a particular supernova explosion. Also our solar system is over 4.5 billion years old, so it would be hard to find a remnant of a supernova that old.
 
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As mathman noted, it is highly probable multiple supernova contributed to the mix. Given the solar system takes only a couple hundred or so million years to orbit the galaxy, finding the presumed neutron star remnants of these ancestral stars would be virtually impossible.
 
Thank you for your answers. Am I correct to presume the neutron star(s) remnants still exists or have come to some other catastrophic end?
 
Boliver said:
I understand that our solar system was created from the ejected matter from a super nova. Is it possible to find the location of the black hole or neutron star that formed as a result of this super nova?

There may have been several that contributed to the formation of stars (and their planetary systems) in our neighborhood. I haven't heard of any of the remnants being located though.

It's an interesting thought. Perhaps someday some remnant WILL be found of what will seem plausible to consider one of the contributors.
As has been pointed out, our solar system is about TWENTY orbits old. It has gone around the center of galaxy about 20 times since it formed. Nearby objects will tend to orbit at the same rate and stay approximately in step. But some that are not quite on the same path as us will gradually get out of step, and leave our immediate neighborhood.

It's a strange thought that after 20 orbits we might still find a neutron star remnant of a supernova progenitor of ours. It would be a speculative finding. I can't rule out it's happening.
 
I don't recall any mention of the supernova(s) contributing to the solar system, but didn't Scientific American (or was it Sky & Tel?) have an article holding out hope other stars birthed in the same area as our system might be identified someday?

As for the multiple supernovas, I would be especially interested in the 'last' one that apparently dumped all the aluminum 27 that warmed up so many asteroids.
 
Finding a promising candidate remnant [neutron star] would be difficult. Core remnants frequently acquire a 'kick' from detonation sending them speeding off in a different direction and at much greater velocity than the progenitor star. This can substantially alter its orbital path, or even cause it to leave the galaxy. The nearest known neutron star is more than 200 light years from earth.

It is widely held that one supernova made the most sizeable contribution of heavy elements to the solar system; the one whose shock wave triggered the collapse that resulted in the solar system - e.g., http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.4993.
 
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the one whose shock wave triggered the collapse that resulted in the solar system - e.g., http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.4993.

Nice find!
 
Thanks all for your helpful answers and comments. I have to admit I have never heard of Rayleigh-Taylor fingers mentioned in the article found by Chronos but I have heard of Rollie Fingers the baseball pitcher. This may explain my "naive" question originally posted.
 
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Stars in our neighborhood have a common velocity of ~200km/s as orbit around the center of the milky way, but additional 20km/s+ as random motion. In other words: After 10 orbits, any spatial correlation is gone. As the gravitational interaction between stars is small, it might be possible to calculate all the orbits and evaluate where the stars were some billion years ago. Even then, the remnants are distributed all over the galaxy, in addition some of them might have left it long ago.
 

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