Supernovae and solar cycles found in Ice Cores

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between supernovae, specifically SN 1006 and the Crab Nebula, and the production of nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the atmosphere as recorded in ice cores from Dome Fuji station in Antarctica. Participants explore the implications of these findings for understanding solar cycles and historical climate data, as well as the potential effects of gamma rays from supernovae on atmospheric chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that gamma rays from supernovae may influence nitrogen oxide production, with one participant expressing skepticism about the measurable effects of such gamma rays from the Crab Nebula.
  • Others assert that the production of NO3 is linked to fluctuations in the solar magnetic field, suggesting this relationship is already established.
  • One participant highlights that the production of nitrogen oxides from SN 1006 could be significantly higher than that from solar radiation, proposing that the energy output of supernovae just before explosion could account for this difference.
  • There is mention of the historical context of solar cycles and their correlation with nitrogen isotope production, specifically N14 to C14, which requires calibration in carbon dating.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which supernovae influence nitrogen oxide production. While some support the connection between supernovae and atmospheric changes, others question the significance and measurability of these effects, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference previous studies and findings that have been controversial, indicating that the relationship between supernovae and atmospheric chemistry is complex and not fully settled. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the mechanisms of nitrogen oxide production and the specific contributions of supernovae versus solar activity.

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http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.3446
So apparently gamma rays from nearby supernovae produce nitrogen oxide in the atmosphere. The team took 122-meter-long cores from Dome Fuji station in Antarctica and found three nitrogen oxide spikes in the 11th century. They think they know what two of them are, but the third is a mystery. They also saw a 10-year variation in background nitrogen oxide, and sulphate spikes corresponding to volcanic eruptions between 100 and 1300 AD.
Abstract
Ice cores are known to be rich in information regarding past climates, and the possibility that they record astronomical phenomena has also been discussed. Rood et al. were the first to suggest, in 1979, that nitrate ion (NO3-) concentration spikes observed in the depth profile of a South Pole ice core might correlate with the known historical supernovae (SNe), Tycho (AD 1572), Kepler (AD 1604), and SN 1181 (AD 1181). Their findings, however, were not supported by subsequent examinations by different groups using different ice cores, and the results have remained controversial and confusing. Here we present a precision analysis of an ice core drilled in 2001 at Dome Fuji station in Antarctica. It revealed highly significant three NO3- spikes dating from the 10th to the 11th century. Two of them are coincident with SN 1006 (AD 1006) and the Crab Nebula SN (AD 1054), within the uncertainty of our absolute dating based on known volcanic signals. Moreover, by applying time-series analyses to the measured NO3- concentration variations, we discovered very clear evidence of an 11-year periodicity that can be explained by solar modulation. This is one of the first times that a distinct 11-year solar cycle has been observed for a period before the landmark studies of sunspots by Galileo Galilei with his telescope. These findings have significant consequences for the dating of ice cores and galactic SN and solar activity histories.
 
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I'd be amazed if gamma rays from a SN in the crab produced a measurable change in the rate of NOx production (did 1987A produce anything similair?)

Still it's a funny old world
 
This is one of the first times that a distinct 11-year solar cycle has been observed for a period before the landmark studies of sunspots by Galileo Galilei with his telescope.

This just confirms what was already known, NO3 production is tied to the flux in solar magnetic field.
 
Skyhunter said:
This just confirms what was already known, NO3 production is tied to the flux in solar magnetic field.
Similairly N14->C14 production is tied to the solar cycle and has to be calibrated out for C14 dating, but that doesn't prove that a SN 6500 lyr away can produce NOx
 
Moreover, using available knowledge of the radiation chemistry processes induced
by γ-rays and important neutral chemical reactions of nitrogen in the stratosphere,
we estimated the order of magnitude of nitrogen oxide production under a simple
assumption that the SN γ-ray energy is equipartitioned within an atmospheric column at
the altitudes between 25 and 45 km. We found that SN 1006 could produce nitrogen
oxides about one order of magnitude higher than that from solar radiation, and that the
Crab Nebula of the same order of magnitude. From the energetics point of view, it is
thus reasonable that the SN spikes with large amplitudes appear above the solar cycle
background trend.

So, the 1006 SN was an order of magnitude higher than the sun. SN's are known to produce as much energy in a short time frame as the sun does over its entire lifetime. They do that by becoming extremely hot just before exploding. So, it may not be too surprising that their spectrum shifts dramatically towards higher energies which would include γ-rays.
 

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