Surface element -- why parallelograms?

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The discussion centers on the concept of surface elements in relation to the cross product and parallelograms. The absolute value of the cross product represents the area of a parallelogram formed by two vectors, which is crucial for defining surface integrals. While triangles are fundamental in computer graphics for surface representation, parallelograms simplify the mathematical process involved in calculations. The tangent plane defined by gradient vectors allows for the area of small parallelograms to be computed, even without normalization. Overall, the choice of parallelograms facilitates easier mathematical manipulation while approximating continuous surfaces.
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we say the surface element of x(u,v),y(u,v),z(u,v) is absolute value of the cross product
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or
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i don't understand why this is. i know that the absolute value of the cross product
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is the area of a parallelogram formed by a,b,a+b, but i get lost after that
im guessing something happens where dudv cancels out with ∂u∂v then just leaves ∂r, but i can't really figure what it means.

anyone whos got into computer graphics can tell you triangles are the building blocks of surfaces, because any 3 points occupy the same plane. why a parallelogram then?
 
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Because that is how the maths is simplest.
It makes no difference otherwise since the main difference between above and the computer approximation to a continuous surface is that the parallelogram is arbitrarily small.

Note: the parallelogram is not the only way of viewing the cross product.
 
DivergentSpectrum said:
i know that the absolute value of the cross product
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is the area of a parallelogram formed by a,b,a+b, but i get lost after that

I'll reinterpret your question.

We could define a surface integral in a sophisticated way by saying it is the limit of processes that cover the surface with small shapes tangential to its surface and then form a sum of the area of each shape times the value of the function at the point of tangency.

We can define a surface integral in a less sophisticated way by specifying each small shape exactly. For the surface (x(u,v),y(u,v),z(u,v)) we can think of || <\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}, \frac{\partial y}{\partial u}, \frac{\partial z}{\partial u}> \times <\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}, \frac{\partial y}{\partial v}, \frac{\partial z}{\partial v} >|| du dv as

|| du <\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}, \frac{\partial y}{\partial u}, \frac{\partial z}{\partial u}> \times dv <\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}, \frac{\partial y}{\partial v}, \frac{\partial z}{\partial v} >||

In other words, think of du and dv as scalars that multiply the vectors involved so the expression is the area of a small parallelogram.

The two gradient vectors conveniently define a plane tangent to the surface. Multiplying the gradient vectors by small scalars when we take the cross product gives us the area of a small parallelogram lying in the tangent plane. This still leaves us open the question of why we can use the gradient vectors without normalizing them each to have length 1. Without that normalization we are using bigger parallelograms where the shape of the surface changes rapidly. It seems we should use smaller parallelograms there instead.
 
If you start with a rectangle ("\Delta x" by "\Delta y) in the xy-plane and project onto a plane that is NOT parallel to the xy-plane, the projection is a parallelogram. For example, if the rectangle with vertices at (0, 0), (1, 0), (1, 1), and (0, 1) is projected to the plane z= a+ bx+ cy, the vertices are projected to (0, 0, a), (1, 0, a+ b), (1, 1, a+ b+ c), and (0, 1, a+ c).

It is easy to show that opposite sides of that quadrilateral, such as (0, 0, a) to (1, 0, a+ b) and (0, 1, a+ c) to (1, 1, a+ b+ c) have the same length: \sqrt{(0- 1)^2+ (0- 0)^2+ (a- (a+ b))^2}= \sqrt{1+ b^2} and \sqrt{(0- 1)^2+ (1- 1)^2+ ((a+ c)- (a+ b+ c)^2}= \sqrt{1+ b^2}.

But the angles are NOT right angles: the line from (0, 0, a) to (1, 0, a+ b) can be written in parametric equations as x= t, y= 0, z= a+ bt, with t from 0 to 1. A vector in the direction of that line is <1, 0, b>. The line from (0, 0, a) to (0, 1, a+ c) can be written in parametric equations as x= 0, y= t, z= a+ ct with t from 0 to 1. A vector in the direction of that line is <0, 1, c>. The dot product of those two vectors is 0(1)+ 1(0)+ bc= bc, NOT 0.

A quadrilateral with opposite sided of the same length, but angle not right angles, is a general parallelogram.
 

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