Suspension Bridge Parabola Problem

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The problem involves the shape of a suspension bridge cable, which is described as forming a parabola under a specific loading condition. The scenario includes measurements related to the height of the cable at various points and the distance between the supporting towers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss setting up a coordinate system to model the problem and derive the equation of the parabola. There are inquiries about how to solve for the coefficients of the parabola using given points. Some participants express confusion about the mathematical process involved.

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There is an active exploration of the mathematical relationships involved in the problem, with some participants providing guidance on how to set up equations based on the points given. However, there is also a divergence in understanding regarding the shape of the cable, with references to both parabolic and catenary forms being debated.

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Some participants question the assumptions about the shape of the cable, noting the distinction between a parabolic shape under certain loading conditions and a catenary shape under different conditions. There is mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the nature of the problem set.

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Please help me. I can't figure out how to solve this problem.

The cable of a suspension bridge hangs in the form of a parabola when the load is evenly distributed horizontally. The distance between the two towers is 150m, the points of support of the cable on the towers are 22m above the roadway, and the lowest point on the cable is 7m above the roadway. find the vertical distance to the cable from a point in te roadway 15m from the foot of the tower.
 
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Set up a coordinate system in which the x-axis is horizontal, along the bridge road way, the y-axis is vertical, and (0, 0) is at the center of the bridge. The cable is clearly symetric about that point so y(x)= ax^2+ b. You are told that the towers are 150 m apart so x= 75 and -75. You are told that the cable is attached at 22 feet above the road way at those towers so when x= 75, y= 22. Finally, you are told that the lowest point of the cable, which, because of symmetry, is at x= 0, y= 7.

Use x= 75, y= 22 and x= 0, y= 7 to solve for a and b in y= ax^2+ b. Then find y when x= 75- 15= 50.
 
Darn, I just made a graph to help visualize!

Halls of Ivy did a good job explaining it, but now I have this graphic that would otherwise go to waste. They want distance d. (Note: the graph is shifted differently than Halls' but the process is the same.)

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Excellent graph! Yes, you can set up your coordinate system however you choose and QuarkCharmer chose to take the origin at one of the cable ends. Of course, the answer to the question will be exactly the same.
 
please... can you explain how to use x=75, y=22 and x=0, y=7 to solve for a and b in y=ax^2 +b ? I can't understand...
 
You are trying to determine the value of a and b. You know the parabola passes thru two separate points (75, 22) and (0, 7). Substitute the values of x and y from these two points into the equation y = ax^2 + b. You will obtain two equations with a and b as the unknowns, which then may be solved simultaneously.
 
I am sorry to disappoint you but the Catenary problem is well known and the shape of the suspended bridge is not a parabola but hyperbolic cosine function (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenary)
 
andonrangelov: If you read the section on Suspension Bridges in your linked Wikipedia article, you will find that when the suspension cables are supporting a distributed horizontal load, the shape of the suspension cable is NOT a catenary, but a parabola. A catenary forms only when the loading is distributed evenly along the length of the cable or chain.
 
SteamKing you are right I haven’t pay enough attention here is the problem set and the solution if someone is interested in it, about the point of the parabola I think the others give good explanation how to find it….
 

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