Why do sodium ions not continuously build up in swimming pools?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of sodium ions in swimming pools, particularly focusing on the implications of adding sodium chloride (NaCl) and the effects of electrolysis on ion concentrations. Participants explore the mechanisms of ion buildup and the potential for changes in water chemistry over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why sodium ions do not continuously accumulate in swimming pools after adding NaCl, suggesting that electrolysis produces Na+ and OH- ions.
  • Some participants assert that there is no mechanism for Na+ to leave the pool, implying that Na+ will build up over time.
  • Another participant queries whether this buildup means that swimming pools become saltier over time and whether more hydrochloric acid would need to be added to neutralize increasing NaOH levels.
  • In response, it is stated that the amount of OH- produced by electrolysis is independent of the Na+ concentration, suggesting that Na+ buildup does not necessitate additional acid addition.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that water exchange processes, such as splashing or overflowing, can reduce salt levels and maintain a steady state if salt removal balances additions.
  • There is a mention of measuring salinity in various ways and a potential benefit of increased buoyancy with higher salt levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether sodium ions will accumulate in swimming pools, with some asserting that they will while others suggest that water exchange can mitigate this. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the long-term implications of Na+ buildup and the need for additional acid.

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Assumptions about the effects of electrolysis and water exchange processes are present, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these factors on sodium ion concentrations.

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Where do sodium ions go in a pool?
It is killing me trying to understand why sodium ions don't continuously build up in swimming pools.

You add NaCl to a pool. It is electrolysed to H2 and Cl2 leaving Na+ and OH-.

I get OH- builds up over time, and needs to be neutralised by HCl to make NaCl again and water. This would balance out charges, but you quite often put more NaCl in the pool.

I would guess the Cl2 leaves as a gas or perhaps as HCl gas over time, but there must be some mechanism for how Na+ leaves. Can someone help me?
 
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No such mechanism, Na+ will build up.
 
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Borek said:
No such mechanism, Na+ will build up.
Does this mean that our swimming pools become saltier over time? Does this also mean that we have to add more hydrochloric acid as time goes on too because there is more NaOH to neutralise?
 
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Does this mean that our swimming pools become saltier over time?

Yes.

Does this also mean that we have to add more hydrochloric acid as time goes on too because there is more NaOH to neutralise?

No. Amount of OH- produced by electrolysis doesn't depend on amount of Na+ present, only on charge that was passed through the solution.
 
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As with any water system, exchanges of water (like splashing water out aand the replacing it with fresh (salt free) water, or overflowing the pool with new water) will reduce the salt levels by actually removing the salt in solution.
A steady state could be achieved if the removal of salt is balanced by the additions of it.

There are several ways to measure the saltiness of water, depending on the range of salinity being measured.

An advantage might of increased salt might be that you will become more buoyant as the salt levels go up.
 
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