Swing problem harmonic motion problem

In summary, the problem discussed is a parametric oscillator which involves a playground swing. The amplitude of the swinging oscillations can grow with time by simply swinging the feet at the right time. The undamped simple pendulum equation is used to understand this phenomenon, with an oscillating function of time (f(t) << 1). The general solution for θ(t) is given by θ(t) = A(t)eiωp t + B(t)e−iωp t, with an oscillating term of f(t) = fo/2i(ei2ωp t − e−i2ωpt). The equations d2A(t)/dt2 + i2ωp dA(t)/dt + (
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Homework Statement


If you guys cannot read the problem due to all the latex not pasting properly I will post the link to the website.

http://courses.ncsu.edu/py411/lec/001/; then proceed to go to the homework section of my webpage then click on Assignment 6 and the problem is next to I.

PY411 — HOMEWORK #6
due October 13th
Read: Chapter 6. Problems: 5.5, 5.6, 5.9
I. The playground swing is a bit of a mystery! Simply by swinging your
feet at the right time (without directly experiencing an external force), the
amplitude of your swinging oscillations can grow with time. This is an example
of a parametric oscillator. To understand this phenomenon, we start
with an undamped simple penduluum described by the equation:
d2θ(t)
dt2 + ω2(t)θ(t) = 0,
where ω2 = ω2o
(1 + f (t)) and ωo =
pg
L ,with g the acceleration of gravity on
earth’s surface, L the penduluum length and f (t) is an oscillating function of
time (f (t) << 1). You can think of the oscillations as being due to periodic
changes in the length of the penduluum, which you cause by kicking your
feet. In order to keep things straightforward, pick a general solution for θ(t)
of:
θ(t) = A(t)eiωp t + B(t)e−iωp t,
and an oscillating term
f (t) =
fo
2i
(ei2ωp t − e−i2ωpt),
where ωp is the the angular frequency of the solution we are seeking. These
solutions and driving terms are not the most general we can select, but the
basic physics is included in this treatment.
i) As we did in class, plug in the general solution and collect terms with
the same time dependence, to derive the following equations which should
be true for all times:
d2A(t)
dt2 + i2ωp
dA(t)
dt
+
¡
ω2o
− ω2
p
¢
A(t) + ω2o
fo
2i
B(t) = 0,
d2B(t)
dt2 − i2ωp
dB(t)
dt
+
¡
ω2o
− ω2
p
¢
B(t) − ω2o
fo
2i
A(t) = 0.
1
Here we are making the important approximation that we can ignore “rapidly
oscillating terms” with oscillation frequencies of 3ωp. These terms do not
produce a cumulative effect (unlike the terms oscillating in phase with our
solutions proportional to eiωp t and e−iωpt, which do create such effects).
ii) Now we will seek solutions to the above equations where A(t) and B(t)
are written:
A(t) = r(t) cos αo,
B(t) = r(t) sinαo.
Once again, these are not the most general solutions (α is, in general, a
function of time, but the angle ultimately settles down to an equilibrium
value we can call αo). Plug these solutions into the equations above and
eliminate the terms proportional to d2r(t)
dt2 to derive the time dependence of
r(t).
iii) Can you actually start swinging fom a point where you are motionless
and your angular deflection θ(0) = 0? How does this differ from the standard,
driven oscillator?
iv) Where does the energy come from to increase the amplitude of your
swinging motion?




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The Attempt at a Solution


Isn't this a driven harmonic system problem since the child is making the swing move back and forth?


i) I think my general solution is [tex]\theta[/tex](t)= A(t)eiw(p)t+Be-iw(p)t

do I need to take the derrivative of theta twice to arrive at :

d^2A(t)/dt^2+iw(p)dA(t)/dt+(w(0)^2-w(p)^2)A(t)+w(0)^2*f(0)/2iB(t)=0


d^2B(t)/dt^2-iw(p)dA(t)/dt+(w(0)^2-w(p)^2)A(t)+w(0)^2*f(0)/2iB(t)=0

since f(t)<<1 should I just assume f(t) is negliglbe and w^2=g/L?

ii) For this part, I am just plugging in the first and second derivatives of A(t) and B(t) into the solutions I am supposed to derived in ii right?
 
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Benzoate said:
Isn't this a driven harmonic system problem since the child is making the swing move back and forth?
I'd prefer to look at it as a "free" pendulum, but with a time-dependent length. I suppose you could also look at it as a very special case of a driven oscillator.

Benzoate said:
i) I think my general solution is [tex]\theta[/tex](t)= A(t)eiw(p)t+Be-iw(p)t

do I need to take the derrivative of theta twice
Yes

Benzoate said:
to arrive at :

d^2A(t)/dt^2+iw(p)dA(t)/dt+(w(0)^2-w(p)^2)A(t)+w(0)^2*f(0)/2iB(t)=0


d^2B(t)/dt^2-iw(p)dA(t)/dt+(w(0)^2-w(p)^2)A(t)+w(0)^2*f(0)/2iB(t)=0
Excuse me? How do you get two expressions when deriving a single expression? It looks like you say "I take the second derivative twice" and then write down what you think you should be proving. Unfortunately, your answer will consist of more than one step :smile: Don't be impatient. What is the first derivative?

Benzoate said:
since f(t)<<1 should I just assume f(t) is negliglbe and w^2=g/L?
No, f is given, and if you look carefully, you see that [itex]f_0/2i[/itex] is part of the final answer. You just plug it into your equation as well.

So, start by doing the derivations properly :smile:
 

1. What is a swing problem in harmonic motion?

A swing problem in harmonic motion refers to a situation where a pendulum or a swing is set in motion and its motion is damped over time due to the presence of friction or other dissipative forces.

2. How do you solve a swing problem in harmonic motion?

To solve a swing problem in harmonic motion, you need to first set up the equations of motion using Newton's laws of motion. Then, you can use mathematical techniques such as differential equations or energy conservation to find the solution.

3. What factors affect the motion of a swing in harmonic motion?

The motion of a swing in harmonic motion is affected by factors such as the initial conditions (amplitude, frequency, and phase), the mass of the swing, the length of the swing, and the presence of any dissipative forces such as friction or air resistance.

4. How does the amplitude of a swing change over time in harmonic motion?

In a swing problem in harmonic motion, the amplitude of the swing decreases over time due to the presence of dissipative forces. The rate of decrease depends on the strength of the dissipative forces and the initial amplitude of the swing.

5. What is the difference between a simple pendulum and a swing in harmonic motion?

A simple pendulum is a mass attached to a string or rod that swings back and forth under the influence of gravity, while a swing in harmonic motion is a pendulum-like system that is set in motion and experiences damping due to dissipative forces. A swing in harmonic motion can have a more complex motion compared to a simple pendulum.

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