Switching observers in a quantum measurement

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Homework Statement

Typed problem statement: observable A with eigenvalues a1, a2 and eigenvectors |Φ1> = (1/√13)(2|β1> + 3|β2>) and |Φ2> = (1/√(9+c²))(3|β1> + c|β2>), where β1, β2 are eigenvectors of observable B with eigenvalues b1, b2, and the question asks the probability of measuring a2 on the last A measurement after measuring A, then B, then A again.

(c is a constant)

The attempt at a solution

-In the first measure we got a1, so the state of the system would be psi1.
-In the second measure, there's no information about what eigenvalue we got. Would the state of the system still be psi1? Psi1 is written in terms of B eigenvectors, and as we don't know which one we measured, the state should be described as a superposition of both vectors, which is precisely psi1. Is that correct?
-In the third measure, i wrote the "betas" in terms of the "psis", so i have something like:
(A and B being constants, not the observables)
psi1 = A beta1 + B beta2 = C psi1 + D psi2 + E psi 1 + F psi2 = G psi1 + H psi 2

Is it H the coefficient that tells me the probabilities of getting the a2 eigenvalue, or did I do something wrong?
 
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  • Typed problem statement: observable A with eigenvalues a1, a2 and eigenvectors |Φ1> = (1/√13)(2|β1> + 3|β2>) and |Φ2> = (1/√(9+c²))(3|β1> + c|β2>), where β1, β2 are eigenvectors of observable B with eigenvalues b1, b2, and the question asks the probability of measuring a2 on the last A measurement after measuring A, then B, then A again.
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Keru said:
-In the first measure we got a1, so the state of the system would be psi1.
Correct.
Keru said:
-In the second measure, there's no information about what eigenvalue we got. Would the state of the system still be psi1? Psi1 is written in terms of B eigenvectors, and as we don't know which one we measured, the state should be described as a superposition of both vectors, which is precisely psi1. Is that correct?
No. I bolded the part which is wrong. It contradicts the postulate that after a measurement, the system is in an eigenstate of the corresponding observable.

If you perform a measurement and don't have information about the outcome, you can't use a single state vector to describe the situation after the measurement. You need to do a case-by-case analysis in order to calculate the probabilities.
 
Ok I think i got it. So, for one of the two possible cases it would continue like this?

Handwritten quantum mechanics working: a 2x2 matrix acting on a state vector with entries sqrt(13)/3 and 2/sqrt(13), giving psi = (1/sqrt(13))(2 beta1 + 3 beta2); followed by probabilities 30.76% and 69.24%, and an expression for beta1 in terms of phi1 and phi2 with denominators 2c-9.
 
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  • Handwritten quantum mechanics working: a 2x2 matrix acting on a state vector with entries sqrt(13)/3 and 2/sqrt(13), giving psi = (1/sqrt(13))(2 beta1 + 3 beta2); followed by probabilities 30.76% and 69.24%, and an expression for beta1 in terms of phi1 and phi2 with denominators 2c-9.
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Yes. I haven't checked the calculations but conceptually, it is correct now.
 
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