How Does Time Evolution Affect Quantum Measurement Probabilities?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a quantum system characterized by a Hamiltonian and its eigenstates. The problem specifically addresses the behavior of a linear operator Q and the implications of time evolution on measurement probabilities after an initial measurement is made.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of wave function collapse and time evolution on the measurement probabilities of the operator Q. There are attempts to express the evolved state in terms of the energy eigenstates and to calculate the inner product for probability determination. Questions arise regarding the nature of the Hamiltonian and the interpretation of the probability results over time.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the time evolution operator and its application to the state post-measurement. Some participants express confusion regarding the interpretation of probability results at specific times, while others clarify that the probability being zero at a certain instant does not imply it remains zero thereafter.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the complexities of quantum measurement and time evolution, with some noting potential ambiguities in the problem statement regarding the behavior of probabilities over time.

mcheung4
Messages
22
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



A quantum system has Hamiltonian H with normalised eigenstates ψn and corresponding energies En (n = 1,2,3...). A linear operator Q is defined by its action on these states:

1 = ψ2
2 = ψ1
n = 0, n>2

Show that Q has eigenvalues 1 and -1 and find the corresponding normalised eigenstates ζ1 and ζ2, in terms of energy eigenstates. Calculate <H> in each of the states ζ1 and ζ2.

A measurement of Q is made at time=0, and the result 1 is obtained. The system is then left undisturbed for a time t, at which instant another measurement of Q is made. What is the probability that the result will again be 1? Show that the probability is 0 if the measurement is made after a time T = \piħ/(E2 - E1), assuming E2 - E1> 0.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I found
ζ1 = (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2
ζ2 = (ψ1 - ψ2)/√2
and <H> = (E1 + E2)/2 for both.

I have trouble doing the second part.

Doesnt the system collapse into ζ1 given we know this is the state at time =0?
so probability will be 1?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The wave function collapses to \zeta_1 after measurement but after that, it will evolve by Schrödinger equation and so it will change gradually. You should apply the time evolution operator to the state \zeta_1 and then calculate the inner product of the evolved state with \zeta_1.
 
Shyan said:
The wave function collapses to \zeta_1 after measurement but after that, it will evolve by Schrödinger equation and so it will change gradually. You should apply the time evolution operator to the state \zeta_1 and then calculate the inner product of the evolved state with \zeta_1.

so ψ(x,0) = (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2,
and U(t,0) = exp(-iHt/ħ),
then ψ(x,t) = U(t,0)ψ(x,0) = exp(-iHt/ħ)(ψ1 + ψ2)/√2

inner product :
∫ [exp(iHt/ħ)((ψ1)* + (ψ2)*)/√2][(ψ1 + ψ2)/√2] dx
= exp(iHt/ħ)

is this correct? but i don't know what H is here, is it (E1+E2)/2?
 
mcheung4 said:
so ψ(x,0) = (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2,
and U(t,0) = exp(-iHt/ħ),
then ψ(x,t) = U(t,0)ψ(x,0) = exp(-iHt/ħ)(ψ1 + ψ2)/√2

inner product :
∫ [exp(iHt/ħ)((ψ1)* + (ψ2)*)/√2][(ψ1 + ψ2)/√2] dx
= exp(iHt/ħ)

is this correct? but i don't know what H is here, is it (E1+E2)/2?

The point you're missing, is how to act on \psis by the evolution operator.
<br /> e^{\frac{iHt}{\hbar}}\psi_n=\sum_{m=0}^{\infty} (\frac{iH_nt}{\hbar})^m \frac{ \psi_n}{m!}=\sum_{m=0}^{\infty} (\frac{it}{\hbar})^m \frac{H^m \psi_n}{m!}=\sum_{m=0}^{\infty} (\frac{it}{\hbar})^m \frac{E_n^m \psi_n}{m!}=\sum_{m=0}^{\infty} (\frac{iE_nt}{\hbar})^m \frac{ \psi_n}{m!}=e^{\frac{iE_n t}{\hbar}}\psi_n<br />

So you don't need to know H!
 
so ψ(0) = (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2, ψ(t) = U(t,0)ψ(0) = exp(-iHt/ħ)(ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 = [exp(-iE1t/ħ)ψ1 + exp(-iE2t/ħ)ψ]/√2. then find the probability amplitude of (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 in this time-varying state by taking the inner product ((ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 , ψ(t)), squared it to find the probability = [1 + cos((E2-E1)t/h)]/2, then sub in T = pi*h/(E2-E1) indeed got probability = 0. but why after T it'll stay 0? doesn't it cycle again by the consine term?
 
mcheung4 said:
so ψ(0) = (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2, ψ(t) = U(t,0)ψ(0) = exp(-iHt/ħ)(ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 = [exp(-iE1t/ħ)ψ1 + exp(-iE2t/ħ)ψ]/√2. then find the probability amplitude of (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 in this time-varying state by taking the inner product ((ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 , ψ(t)), squared it to find the probability = [1 + cos((E2-E1)t/h)]/2, then sub in T = pi*h/(E2-E1) indeed got probability = 0. but why after T it'll stay 0? doesn't it cycle again by the consine term?

Why do you say it remains zero? Just because it becomes 0 momentarily does not mean it stays at 0.
 
mcheung4 said:
so ψ(0) = (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2, ψ(t) = U(t,0)ψ(0) = exp(-iHt/ħ)(ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 = [exp(-iE1t/ħ)ψ1 + exp(-iE2t/ħ)ψ]/√2. then find the probability amplitude of (ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 in this time-varying state by taking the inner product ((ψ1 + ψ2)/√2 , ψ(t)), squared it to find the probability = [1 + cos((E2-E1)t/h)]/2, then sub in T = pi*h/(E2-E1) indeed got probability = 0. but why after T it'll stay 0? doesn't it cycle again by the consine term?
I think you simply misread the question but I can see how the phrasing may lead to confusion. What they meant is that at the time T = pi*h/(E2-E1) after the initial measurement was made the probability is zero, but they do not mean to say that it will remain zero for all times after that instant. They really just meant at that specific instant, not at all later times. So you are right, it will cycle again.
 
ok thanks guys!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K