Symmetry in Objects: Is Every Object Symmetric & How to Prove It?

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The discussion centers on the definition of symmetry and whether every object in space is symmetric about at least one axis. It is noted that symmetry can be defined as an isometry, but there are manifolds with trivial isometry groups, suggesting that not all objects possess symmetry. Examples are provided, such as measurable sets and the human hand, which can lack reflective symmetries. The conversation also touches on mathematical expressions for symmetry in functions and the implications of objects approaching a point in space. The thread emphasizes the complexity of defining symmetry formally within mathematical contexts.
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is there a formal definition of symetry? suppose i was to make an assertion that every object in space is symetric at least about one certain axis in space, is this assertion true? why or why not...how would you go about the proof?
 
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is there a formal definition of symetry? suppose i was to make an assertion that every object in space is symetric at least about one certain axis in space, is this assertion true? why or why not...how would you go about the proof?

one definition of symmetry is an isometry. I believe there are manifolds with trivial isometry groups i.e. the only isometry is the identity. Since any manifold can be embedded isometrically in space, you conjecture is false.

In any dimension, it should be easy to construct measurable sets in space that have no symmetries under reflection - but I am not sure
 
Your hand is a 3D object that has no symmetries.
 
Even functions are symmetric with respect to the y-axis. This is expressed in the relation
f(x) = f(-x). For a 3-D object, a similar expression of symmetry might be
f(x,y,z) = f(-x,-y,z)
 
but how do we formally define symetry? is it just in terms of isometry? if you were to place you hand infinite distances away, then your hand gets very tiny and converges to a point in space which is definitely isometric about some point...eventually becoming symetric!
 
Before you get carried away with mindless sophistry, take a little time and peruse the following article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry

I think you can glean from these scribblings how mathematics treats the definition of symmetry.
 

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