System of Differential equation to solve.

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of differential equations represented in matrix form. The original poster presents a specific equation involving a matrix and an exponential function, seeking both a homogeneous and a particular solution.

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  • Participants discuss finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors to derive the homogeneous solution. There is an exploration of the form of the particular solution, with suggestions involving terms like \( \vec{a} e^x + \vec{b} x e^x \). Questions arise regarding the complexity of deriving the particular solution and whether there are simpler methods available.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and questioning the reasoning behind certain steps. Some express confusion about matching terms in the equations, while others clarify the relationships between the coefficients and the vectors involved. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to finding the particular solution, but multiple interpretations and methods are being explored.

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DaxInvader

Homework Statement


Solve the following differential equation.

y'= {{2,-1},{3,-2}}y + {{1},{-1}}(e)^{x}

If it's not clear, I made an image for it.

http://i.imgur.com/lypTxqf.jpg

Homework Equations



y{g} = y{h} + y{p}


The Attempt at a Solution



So basically, I am looking for a homogeneous solution and a particular solution.

I started by looking at the eigen values and eigen vectors.

I found \lambda1 = 1 and \lambda2 = -1

And the vectors that go with them : \stackrel{\rightarrow}{V1} = (1, 1) and \stackrel{\rightarrow}{V2} = (1,3). with give me the homogeneous solution

y{h} = C1(e)^{x}(1, 1) + C2(e)^{-x}(1, 3)

But I have a hard time looking for a particular solution..

I supposed that Yp was something like \stackrel{\rightarrow}{a} * x * (e)^{x} + \stackrel{\rightarrow}{b} * (e)^{x} and... I'm having a lot of trouble from there.. I found Y'p and. it start to get pretty complicated.. is there an easier way? I'm I doing this right?

thanks!

Dario
 
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DaxInvader said:

Homework Statement


Solve the following differential equation.

y'= {{2,-1},{3,-2}}y + {{1},{-1}}(e)^{x}

If it's not clear, I made an image for it.

http://i.imgur.com/lypTxqf.jpg
The built-in equation editor is so clumsy isn't it?
Here's how to write that out in latex: ##\renewcommand{\dyx}[1]{\frac{d #1}{dx}}## $$\dyx{\vec{y}} = \begin{pmatrix} 2 & -1 \\ 3 & -2 \end{pmatrix} \vec{y} + \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ -1 \end{pmatrix} e^x = \text{A}\vec{y}+\vec{w}e^x$$ (Ill do this all the way through just to make sure I have properly understood you.)

Homework Equations



y{g} = y{h} + y{p}
You mean $$y_g=y_h+y_p$$ ??
##y_h## would be commonly referred to as the "complimentary solution".

The Attempt at a Solution


So basically, I am looking for a homogeneous solution and a particular solution.

I started by looking at the eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

I found \lambda1 = 1 and \lambda2 = -1

And the vectors that go with them : \stackrel{\rightarrow}{V1} = (1, 1) and \stackrel{\rightarrow}{V2} = (1,3). with give me the homogeneous solution

y{h} = C1(e)^{x}(1, 1) + C2(e)^{-x}(1, 3)
You got eigenvalues ##\lambda_1=1## and ##\lambda_2=-1## with corresponding eigenvectors $$\vec{v}_1= \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} \; ;\; \vec{v}_2= \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 3 \end{pmatrix} \; \Rightarrow \vec{y}_h=C_1 \vec{v}_1 e^x + C_2 \vec{v}_2 e^{-x}$$

But I have a hard time looking for a particular solution..

I supposed that Yp was something like \stackrel{\rightarrow}{a} * x * (e)^{x} + \stackrel{\rightarrow}{b} * (e)^{x} and... I'm having a lot of trouble from there.. I found Y'p and. it start to get pretty complicated.. is there an easier way? I'm I doing this right?
method of undertermined coefficients?
maybe: ##\vec{y}_p = \vec{a}e^x + \vec{b}xe^{x}## ?
then $$\vec{y}^\prime_p = (\vec{a}+\vec{b})e^x + \vec{b}xe^{x} = \text{A}(\vec{a}e^x + \vec{b}xe^{x}) + \vec{w}e^x$$ ... so that $$\vec{a}+\vec{b}=\text{A}\vec{a}+\vec{w}\\ \vec{b} = \text{A}\vec{b}$$... something like that?
Where do you get stuck?

ref.
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/NonhomogeneousSystems.aspx
 
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Haha sorry for my bad English, I'm still learning all the terms since I'm a french student.

The method I'm doing is pretty much the same thing, But I'm just maybe confused on how it actually works..

I don't get how a + b = Aa + w and b = Ab.. But I'm going to do the problem again and maybe i'll wake up haha
 
Simon Bridge said:
##y_h## would be commonly referred to as the "complimentary solution".

That would be complementary.
 
Simon Bridge said:
maybe: ##\vec{y}_p = \vec{a}e^x + \vec{b}xe^{x}## ?
then $$\vec{y}^\prime_p = (\vec{a}+\vec{b})\color{red}{e^x} + \vec{b}\color{blue}{xe^{x}} = \text{A}(\vec{a}\color{red}{e^x} + \vec{b}\color{blue}{xe^{x}}) + \vec{w}\color{red}{e^x}$$

Simon Bridge said:
$$\vec{a}+\vec{b}=\text{A}\vec{a}+\vec{w}\\ \vec{b} = \text{A}\vec{b}$$

@DaxInvader, you get these equations by matching up the vector terms containing ##e^x## and ##xe^x## on both sides.
 
LCKurtz said:
That would be complementary.
Yeah - they don't give them away for free. :-p
 
LCKurtz said:
That would be complementary.
Why thank you, that's nice of you to say so...
(There is no i in complementary huh... it's always about the other person...)

DaxInvader said:
Haha sorry for my bad English, I'm still learning all the terms since I'm a french student.
Your English is better than a lot of native speakers, I don't want you to think I was correcting you when I was checking my understanding ;)
I don't get how a + b = Aa + w and b = Ab.
From grouping like terms as SithsNGiggles points out. It's just the same as you are used to only the coefficients are vectors. I was wondering if that was the trouble.
 

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