T(f) = f + f', show that T is not diagonalizable

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The problem involves the linear operator T defined on the space of polynomials k[x]n, where T(f) = f + f'. The task is to show that T is not diagonalizable for n ≥ 1.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of deriving a characteristic polynomial and consider transforming the problem into an ordinary differential equation (ODE) to find eigenvalues. There is uncertainty about the nature of k[x] and its implications for the problem.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring the implications of the operator's definition and the characteristics of polynomial solutions. There is a focus on the relationship between the degrees of polynomials involved in the eigenvalue equation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of solutions when λ = 1.

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There is ongoing clarification about the definition of k[x] and its significance in solving the problem. Participants are questioning the assumptions regarding the degrees of polynomials and the implications for diagonalizability.

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Homework Statement



T: k[x]n -> k[x]n

T(f) = f + f'

show that T is not diagonalizable for n >= 1

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I would usually start by getting a characteristic polynomial but I don't know how to do that here?
 
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I also thought I could make it into an ODE and solve for the eigenvalue but i couldn't get that to work
 
L.Wil said:
I also thought I could make it into an ODE and solve for the eigenvalue but i couldn't get that to work

k[x] are polynomials? If so look at the ODE an eigenvector has to satisfy and think about degrees of polynomials.
 
It doesn't say whether k[x] are polynomials.

So would the ODE be λf = f + f'

And then I solve for λ?
 
L.Wil said:
It doesn't say whether k[x] are polynomials.

So would the ODE be λf = f + f'

And then I solve for λ?

The definition of k[x] is pretty important to how you solve this problem. You need to find out what it is.
 
Looking at my notes I think that k[x] are polynomials
 
L.Wil said:
Looking at my notes I think that k[x] are polynomials

Write your equation as (λ-1)f = f'. If λ isn't 1, what can you say about the degrees of the polynomials on each side?
 
That the degree of the polynomial on the right is one less than on the left?
 
L.Wil said:
That the degree of the polynomial on the right is one less than on the left?

What do you conclude from that?
 
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That there aren't enough eigenvalues for it to be diagonalizable?

I'm not really sure!
 
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L.Wil said:
That there aren't enough eigenvalues for it to be diagonalizable?

I'm not really sure!

You going to try to show there aren't enough eigenvectors or functions. To do that you have to figure out all the possible ways (λ-1)f = f' can be solved. Go back to your comment about the λ≠1 case. Can two polynomials of different degree be equal?
 
  • #12
No I don't think so?
 
  • #13
I solved it to get f(x) = ke^((λ-1)x)

Should i rearrange for λ?
 
  • #14
L.Wil said:
I solved it to get f(x) = ke^((λ-1)x)

Should i rearrange for λ?

That doesn't work because the exponential isn't generally a polynomial. You only want polynomial solutions. You've ruled out λ≠1. Are there polynomial solutions if λ=1? What do they look like?
 
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Thanks so much for all of your help.

If λ=1, f'(x)=0

and so f(x) = constant?
 
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L.Wil said:
Thanks so much for all of your help.

If λ=1, f'(x)=0

and so f(x) = constant?

Very welcome! Ok, so your only possible eigenvalue is 1 and all of the eigenfunctions are constants. If T were diagonalizable in k[x]_n how many linearly independent eigenfunctions would you need? What's the dimension of k[x]_n?
 

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