Table of value for y=2-3(5^x+4), plus its transformation from y=5^x.

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The problem involves describing the transformations needed to convert the graph of the function y=5^x into the function y=2-3(5^x+4). Participants are tasked with completing a table of values for these functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the transformations applied to the graph, including reflections and shifts. There are attempts to clarify the calculations for the table of values, particularly regarding the effects of the transformations on the coordinates.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to adjust the values in the table. There is a recognition of confusion regarding the transformations and calculations, and multiple interpretations of the transformations are being explored.

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Some participants express uncertainty about how to input the function into graphing tools, and there are mentions of specific parameters related to the transformations that are under discussion. The conversation reflects a mix of correct and incorrect assumptions about the transformations involved.

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Homework Statement


Describe the transformations that must be applied to the graph of y=5^x to obtain the graph of y=2-3(5^x+4) and complete the following table.

y=5^x
(-1,1/5)
(0,1)
(1,5)
(2,25)
(3,125)

y=-3(5^x)


y=2-3(5^x+4)

Homework Equations


y=5^x , y=2-3(5^x+4)


The Attempt at a Solution



y=5^x
(-1,1/5)
(0,1)
(1,5)
(2,25)
(3,125)


y=-3(5^x)
(-1,-3/5)
(0,-3)
(1,-15)
(2,-75)
(3,-375)

y=2-3(5^x+4)
(-5,3/5)
(-4,3)
(-3,15)
(-2,75)
(-1,375)

What I did to achieve the points in the second column was to multiply the y-coordinates in the first column by -3. Then I proceeded to adding "-4" to the x coordinates and multiplying the y coordinates by -1 because of "2-3".

I couldn't check to see if my points are correct on my graphing calculator because I didn't know how to input y=2-3(5^x+4). Anyway on the the transformations which I presumed to be:

Shifted to the left by 4(d)
Reflected in x-axis (because I figured "a" would end up being -1)
After that I'm stumped.


What I think the parameters are: a=-1 k=0 d=4 c=0
 
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calcdummy said:

Homework Statement


Describe the transformations that must be applied to the graph of y=5^x to obtain the graph of y=2-3(5^x+4) and complete the following table.

y=5^x
(-1,1/5)
(0,1)
(1,5)
(2,25)
(3,125)

y=-3(5^x) y=2-3(5^x+4)

Homework Equations


y=5^x , y=2-3(5^x+4)

The Attempt at a Solution



y=5^x
(-1,1/5)
(0,1)
(1,5)
(2,25)
(3,125) y=-3(5^x)
(-1,-3/5)
(0,-3)
(1,-15)
(2,-75)
(3,-375)

y=2-3(5^x+4)
(-5,3/5)
(-4,3)
(-3,15)
(-2,75)
(-1,375)
No. "-3A" is not "2-3A". Given that when x= -1, -3(5^x) is -3/5, then 2- 3(5^x) is 2- 3/5= 2/5. You had already accounted for the "-" when you multiplied by -3 to get the second column. The new thing in the third column is the "2". Get your third column by adding 2 to the second column.

What I did to achieve the points in the second column was to multiply the y-coordinates in the first column by -3. Then I proceeded to adding "-4" to the x coordinates and multiplying the y coordinates by -1 because of "2-3".

I couldn't check to see if my points are correct on my graphing calculator because I didn't know how to input y=2-3(5^x+4). Anyway on the the transformations which I presumed to be:

Shifted to the left by 4(d)
Reflected in x-axis (because I figured "a" would end up being -1)
After that I'm stumped. What I think the parameters are: a=-1 k=0 d=4 c=0
 
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Are you saying that everything prior to the third column is correct and that I should just add "2" to both the x and y-coordinates?
 
I'm sorry but could someone please help me out... HallsofIvy's comment left me a bit confused.
 
calcdummy said:
I'm sorry but could someone please help me out... HallsofIvy's comment left me a bit confused.

y=2-3(5^x+4) solved is y=-3(5^x)-10

Try using that equation in the last column. Should just have an increment of -10 in the y's.

You can sub y=2-3(5^x+4) in wolfram alpha (online) to see if the solved equation satisfies the points for the last column.
Lemme know if that helps at all or if you have any questions.

Best of luck
 
HallsofIvy said:
No. "-3A" is not "2-3A". Given that when x= -1, -3(5^x) is -3/5, then 2- 3(5^x) is 2- 3/5= 2/5. You had already accounted for the "-" when you multiplied by -3 to get the second column. The new thing in the third column is the "2". Get your third column by adding 2 to the second column.

Not quite understanding your math.

2- 3/5 = 2/5?

2- 3/5 = 7/5 = 1 2/5

so you can write it as either 7/5 or 1 2/5.
 
Here's how I'd show the step-by-step transform:
[tex]\begin{array} \\<br /> x & 5^x & 5^x+4 & 3(5^x+4) & 2-3(5^x+4) \\<br /> -1 & 0.2 & 4.2 & 12.6 & -10.6 \\<br /> 0 & 1 & 5 & 15 & -13 \\<br /> 1 & 5 & 9 & 27 & -25 \end{array}[/tex]
Unless you're required to reduce this to one multiplication and one addition, I don't really understand why you're asked to show ##-3(5^x)##.

Note - in support of HallsofIvy's point - that 2-3A = -3A + 2.
 

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