Taking 5 UD math courses in a single semester - nuts?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and implications of taking five upper division mathematics courses concurrently: Statistics, Probability Theory, Abstract Algebra II, Discrete Math II, and Combinatorics. Participants explore the potential overlap between these courses and the advisability of such a course load.

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  • Some participants suggest consulting with advisors or professors regarding the concurrent enrollment in Statistics, Probability Theory, and Combinatorics due to potential course overlap.
  • There is a discussion about the prerequisites for the Statistics course, with some participants noting that an upper division statistics course may require prior knowledge of probability theory.
  • One participant shares their experience of taking four upper division courses in a semester, suggesting that a more manageable approach might be to study prerequisites during breaks.
  • Several participants express confusion about the classification of courses as upper division (UD) and discuss how this classification can vary by country and institution.
  • Concerns are raised about the workload associated with taking five courses in a single semester, with some noting that this is considered standard in certain educational systems.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether taking five upper division math courses concurrently is advisable. There are competing views on the implications of course overlap and the appropriateness of such a course load.

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Participants highlight the importance of checking specific course requirements and prerequisites as they may vary by institution and program. There is also mention of the automated enrollment system potentially restricting concurrent enrollment in certain courses.

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Students considering a heavy course load in mathematics or related fields, academic advisors, and those interested in course structure and prerequisites in higher education may find this discussion relevant.

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Greetings all,

The classes in question: Statistics, Probability Theory, Abstract Algebra II, Discrete Math II, and Combinatorics.

Considering the overlap between some of these courses, would it be wise to take them concurrently? If you had to remove one class, which one would it be and why?

I appreciate any insight/advice/admonishment.
 
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With respect to Statistics, Probability Theory, and Combinatorics ... you should discuss with your advisor or professors whether it's OK to take them concurrently, or whether it's preferable to take them in a particular sequence.
 
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Taking 5 UD math courses in a single semester - nuts?

Only if you want to learn the material.
 
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It can be that statistics requires probability theory, if the stats course is upper division. A bit weird how you mentioned them being upper division...
 
MidgetDwarf said:
It can be that statistics requires probability theory, if the stats course is upper division. A bit weird how you mentioned them being upper division...
Why is it weird? They're all 400-level courses.
 
space-milk said:
Why is it weird? They're all 400-level courses.
That they are able to simultaneously enroll in both upper division Probability Theory and Statistics. Typically, the automated system would not allow students to do this, without signing a waiver, or asking for instructor approval. Since the upper division stats course requires probability theory. So maybe the stats course is lower division course. Which is why I think it is weird...
 
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space-milk said:
Greetings all,

The classes in question: Statistics, Probability Theory, Abstract Algebra II, Discrete Math II, and Combinatorics.

Considering the overlap between some of these courses, would it be wise to take them concurrently? If you had to remove one class, which one would it be and why?

I appreciate any insight/advice/admonishment.
Later in the topic was some attention to upper division and course requirements.
Your university's course catalog or the Mathematics Department's program information and list of courses can help to understand more clearly. You or your department's advisors would be able to help in course selection using the information about the program and the courses.
 
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space-milk said:
Greetings all,

The classes in question: Statistics, Probability Theory, Abstract Algebra II, Discrete Math II, and Combinatorics.

Considering the overlap between some of these courses, would it be wise to take them concurrently? If you had to remove one class, which one would it be and why?

I appreciate any insight/advice/admonishment.
Other than maybe too many courses space-milk plans to take in a single semester, some programs for Mathematics undergraduate degree could very well list a Statistics or Probability or Statistics & Probability as a first course UPPER DIVISION, without showing any prerequisite stat or prob course at lower division.

To be sure for @space-milk, he must check with his department's information or counselors very carefully.
 
I didn't do 5 UD math courses in a semester. I did do four, however, and the professor of one, Mathematical Economics, let me study the prerequisites - macro and microeconomics, during the break. It wasn't five UD math courses, but a mixture of four Computer Science and Math Courses. One was Analysis B which required Analysis A as a prerequisite. Again the professor let me study it over the break. To me, that is a more reasonable approach.

Thanks
Bill
 
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What is "UD"? Maybe I missed the statement what this means.

Upper Division?
 
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I did an online check of 1 Mathematics department's program. What I saw there looked like for Mathematics Majors, the first of any needed Statistics/Probability/Probability&Statistics course/s were at upper division. And I did not find a lower division such course as prerequite for the upper division ones.
 
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symbolipoint said:
What is "UD"? Maybe I missed the statement what this means.

Upper Division?

Here in Aus, it means either a third-year level subject or taking a Masters level subject undergrad. In the US, it means 3rd, 4th year or Masters level subjects taken undergrad. But stats a UD course has me puzzled. When I did my degree Mathematical Statistics 1A and 1B was all first year. Second-year was 2A and 2B. The UD courses were Mathematical Statistics 3A and 3B. I wasn't that keen on stats but liked the teacher. Due to timetabling constraints, I self-studied 3A - it was just proving some things like the T-Distribution etc.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Maybe I am still misunderstanding. Course code names could vary in classification depending on country.
Here's the way I understand:
MAINNAME 105, lower division and very likely introductory, but not necessarily too much as introductory
MAINNAME 100 , lower division, more advanced, maybe at intermediate level
MAINNAME 315, upper division; might be offered at local community college, and certainly is offered at university; not graduate level although some grad students could be enrolled in it
MAINNAME 400, upper division, and almost always is graduate level
MAINNAME 550, upper division, and at graduate level

I had guessed that UD meant "upper division" and therefore LD would mean "lower division";
I could be wrong.
 
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symbolipoint said:
Other than maybe too many courses space-milk plans to take in a single semester,
5 courses in a semester is too many? That's the standard for undergraduate degrees in Canada (and Engineering programs often require 6) but I suppose it all depends on how many credit hours a course entails.
 

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