Taking the derivative of a function

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The discussion revolves around taking the derivative of a function defined as $$\mathrm{G}_{t+1}=\mathrm{g}_{0}\mathrm{e}^{-qHt}$$ with respect to $$G_t$$. Participants explore the implications of this request, the definitions involved, and the context of the problem, which appears to be related to mathematics and possibly physics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the derivative's meaning with respect to $$G_t$$, suggesting that the equation provided does not depend on $$G_t$$.
  • Another participant points out that the right-hand side of the equation lacks a mention of $$G_t$$, questioning the solvability of the problem as stated.
  • Several participants highlight the ambiguity in defining $$F(G)$$ and its relationship to the derivative being sought.
  • There is a suggestion that the context of the problem might relate to quantum mechanics (QM) or other physics applications, but this remains unclear.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a complete statement of the problem to proceed with finding the derivative.
  • Another participant suggests that without an explicit formula for $$G(t)$$, the request for a derivative with respect to $$G_t$$ does not make sense.
  • Some participants propose that the discussion might involve finite element methods or solving difference equations, drawing parallels between differences and derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the problem as stated is ambiguous and lacks sufficient information to derive a meaningful answer. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the function and the context in which it is applied.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear definitions of variables such as $$G_t$$, $$g_0$$, $$H$$, and $$q$$, as well as the absence of a clear context for the equation's application. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the mathematical steps required to address the derivative.

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TL;DR
Derivative with respect to Gt of a function
I would like to take the derivative of the following function with respect to Gt:
$$\mathrm{G}_{t+1}=\mathrm{g}_{0}\mathrm{e}^{-qHt}$$

I think that the answer is either -1 or ##\mathrm{e}^{-qHt}-1##
If you could show the calculations that would be a great help.
Thanks very much.
 
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mathgenie said:
TL;DR Summary: Derivative with respect to Gt of a function

I would like to take the derivative of the following function with respect to Gt:
What does this mean exactly?
 
Can you see the latex equation?
 
mathgenie said:
Can you see the latex equation?
Yes.
 
I think a clue is that F(G)=Gt+1 -Gt and we want F’(G)
 
mathgenie said:
I think a clue is that F(G)=Gt+1 -Gt and we want F’(G)
What about a complete statement of the problem?
 
I’ve given as much info as I can at the moment. If I was a math boff I wouldn’t be asking for help!
 
The problem as stated isn't solvable. The righthand side has no mention of ##G_t##.

and your comment that F(G)=Gt+1 -Gt = F'(G) is ambiguous.

Did you mean? ##F(G) = G_{t+1} - G_t = G(t+1) - G(t)##

What is the context of the problem? Is this for a QM physics problem?
 
To reiterate, I am looking for the derivative of the difference equation ##f(G)=\mathrm{G}_{t+1}-\mathrm{G}_{t}## with respect to G.
 
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It's just for my personal interest.
 
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What I meant by context is where did this equation appear? Is it from a broader physics problem?

From what you've written ##G_t = G(t)## and we are stuck because we don't know what G(t) means. You've provided a ##G_{t+1}## equation so are we to assume that

##G(t) = 0##

and ##G(t+1) = g_0 e^{-qHt}##

and that ##g_0## , ##H##, and ##q## are constants and that ##e## is exponential function?
 
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mathgenie said:
I think a clue is that F(G)=Gt+1 -Gt and we want F’(G)
Why don't you write it explicitly, ##G_{t-1}=g_0e^{-qH_{t-1}}##, I assume, from the definition of ##G_t##?
 
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mathgenie said:
I would like to take the derivative of the following function with respect to Gt:
$$\mathrm{G}_{t+1}=\mathrm{g}_{0}\mathrm{e}^{-qHt}$$
The above is not a function of ##G_t##, so asking for the derivative of G with respect to ##G_t## doesn't make any sense. In the equation above, g, H, and ##g_0## appear to be constants (you haven't said what these are), and the only independent variable appears to be t. It would make sense to ask about G'(t) if you had a formula for G(t).
mathgenie said:
To reiterate, I am looking for the derivative of the difference equation ##f(G)=\mathrm{G}_{t+1}-\mathrm{G}_{t}## with respect to G.
This doesn't make any sense, either. With an explicit formula for G(t), you could find G'(t); i.e., the derivative of G with respect to t.
 
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Dear all, I just wanted to thank those of you for taking a look at my post and providing suggestions. Forums like these are invaluable and although I did not get an answer to my question (no doubt due to poor phrasing of the question) I appreciate all of your time and effort in considering this question.
 
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@mathgenie , maybe you're considering finite element methods?
 
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WWGD said:
@mathgenie , maybe you're considering finite element methods?
Or solving difference equations? The terms "first difference," "second difference," and so on are analogues to first derivative, second derivative, and so on for derivatives.
 
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