Tan^2x =sec^2x-1 also: tan= sec -1 or am I missing something?

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of trigonometric expressions, specifically focusing on the relationship between \(\tan^2{x}\) and \(\sec^2{x}\), as well as factoring algebraic expressions. Participants explore how to simplify expressions involving these functions and clarify misunderstandings regarding their relationships.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a problem with factoring that involves both \(\tan^2{x}\) and \(\sec^2{x}\).
  • Another participant asserts that \(\tan{x} \neq \sec{x} - 1\), indicating a misunderstanding in the relationships between these functions.
  • There is a suggestion to simplify the expression \(\sec^2{x} - 1\) over \(\sec{x} - 1\) by factoring.
  • A participant notes a mistake in not removing the square when factoring, which they later correct.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the proper notation for algebraic expressions, emphasizing the importance of parentheses for clarity.
  • One participant successfully simplifies \(\frac{x^2 - 1}{x - 1}\) to \(x + 1\) under the condition that \(x \neq 1\).

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between \(\tan{x}\) and \(\sec{x}\), with at least one participant disagreeing with the assertion that \(\tan{x} = \sec{x} - 1\). The discussion includes both clarification of misunderstandings and acknowledgment of mistakes, but no consensus is reached on the relationships between the functions.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the proper simplification techniques and the relationships between trigonometric functions, as well as potential confusion stemming from notation and algebraic manipulation.

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A particular problem with factoring has both of these, one in the denominator and one in the numerator, if it were algebra it would look like: x^2-1/x-1. The trouble is I've forgotten how to simplify this. I'm on taptalk.)
 
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Can you please make more sense of this. What is your problem exactly? And no, \tan{x}\neq \sec{x}-1
 
That just looks like gibberish on taptalk. Essentially it is Sec^2x-1/Secx-1 once a bit of factoring is done.
 
Tyrion101 said:
That just looks like gibberish on taptalk. Essentially it is Sec^2x-1/Secx-1 once a bit of factoring is done.

So you want to simplify this expression by factoring or any other means? Ok well, if we take a look at

x^2-\frac{1}{x}-1

and then factor out 1/x giving us

\frac{1}{x}\left(x^3-x-1\right)

The cubic has no rational factors, so that is the best we can do. We're not completely at a loss with simplifying though.

You know that

\tan^2{x}=\sec^2{x}-1

so then use this to simplify your expression.
 
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This is my problem.
 
I solved my problem... I was not removing the square when factoring. Always seems to be that kind of mistake that gets me.
 
Please use parentheses in future.

x^2-1/x-1
is read as
x^2-\frac{1}{x}-1

while
(x^2-1)/(x-1)
=\frac{x^2-1}{x-1}
 
\frac{x^2- 1}{x- 1}= \frac{(x- 1)(x+ 1)}{x- 1}= x+ 1 as long as x is not equal to 1.
 
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