Tangetial acceleration in elliptical orbit

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In an elliptical orbit, the tangential component of acceleration can exceed the perpendicular component if the angle between the radius vector (R) and velocity (v) is greater than 45 degrees. The relationship between the semi-major axis, eccentricity, and constants of motion such as mechanical energy and angular momentum is crucial for understanding this condition. The discussion suggests simplifying the problem to a geometric perspective rather than focusing solely on physics principles. The maximum angle that the line from the focus makes with the curve is determined by the eccentricity of the ellipse. Ultimately, the problem can be approached through geometry to find the necessary conditions for the tangential acceleration to dominate.
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Homework Statement


Is there any position in an elliptical orbit where the tangential component of the acceleration is greater than the component perpendicular to the tangential component? If so, what conditions on the orbit must there be for such a position to exist?


Homework Equations


For the tangential component of acceleration to be greater than the perpendicular component, the angle between R and v has to be greater than 45 degrees.
The semimajor axis is 2a.
The distance from the Sun (focus) to the satellite is R
The mass of the Sun is M and the mass of the satellite is m
The half-semimajor axis is related to the (constant) mechanical energy E=K+U of the orbit as
a=-\frac{GmM}{2E}
The eccentricity of the ellipse is related to the (constant) angular momentum L as
e^2=1+\frac{2EL^2}{G^2m^3M^2}
Combining the two previous expressions gives
a^2(e^2-1)=\frac{L^2}{2Em}


The Attempt at a Solution


From the geometry of an ellipse and the law of cosines, the best I can do is
R(R+\frac{GMm}{2E})<\frac{L^2}{Em}

But I can't seem to find a criterion that involves only constants of the motion. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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hi bkraabel! :smile:

you're making this too complicated

once you've decided that …
bkraabel said:
For the tangential component of acceleration to be greater than the perpendicular component, the angle between R and v has to be greater than 45 degrees.

… this is no longer a physics problem, it's just a geometry problem

so forget energy, forget angular momentum:

what is the maximum angle that the line from the focus makes with the curve, for eccentricity e? :wink:
 
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