Teaching General Relativity to Undergraduates: AAPT Topical Conference Recap

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the teaching of General Relativity (GR) at the undergraduate level, particularly the appropriate prerequisites and the order in which it should be taught relative to other physics courses such as classical mechanics, electrodynamics, and quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why General Relativity does not have its own dedicated course and suggests it should be taught after classical mechanics and electrodynamics but before quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant notes that at Yale, General Relativity is taught with advanced classical mechanics as the only prerequisite, suggesting that the two subjects do not build on each other.
  • A participant from UMASS mentions that a 500-level General Relativity course can be taken concurrently with classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, indicating flexibility in course scheduling.
  • One participant reflects on their experience taking a GR course as a fourth-year undergraduate, stating that the prerequisites included second-year mechanics and certain math courses, and emphasizes that GR is not necessary for understanding quantum mechanics.
  • A participant references a recent AAPT Topical Conference focused on teaching General Relativity to undergraduates, providing links to related resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the prerequisites and sequencing of General Relativity in relation to other physics courses, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach to teaching GR at the undergraduate level.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the variability in course offerings and prerequisites across different institutions, which may affect the discussion on the appropriate teaching sequence for General Relativity.

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taught at the undergraduate level? I know its introduce in the intro modern physics class you taken, but why doesn't General relativity have its on class?Shouldn't general relativity be taught after you just taken your classical mechanics and electrodynamics courses and shouldn't it be taught before you begin your quantum mechanics courses?
 
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At least at my college (Yale), it is. The prereqs for both quantum and GR is just advanced classical mechanics. I personally think they fit well in either order, because they do not build on each other in the slightest. They both introduce new math, and I don't think either is harder than the other, in my experience.
 
at my school (UMASS) you can take a generl relativity course which is at the 500 level (translates as either advanced undergrad or first year grad) this coming semester I will be taking it concurrently with classical mechanics, and quantum mechanics.
 
I took a GR course as a fourth-year undergrad. The pre-req's were 2nd year mechanics and math courses in ODEs and vector calculus. You definitely don't need GR to do quantum!

The professor who taught the course I took had worked with Hartle, so we were the guinea pigs for his textbook the year before it came out in print. It was actually one of the less mathematically-intense upper level physics courses I took!
 
This was the focus of a recent AAPT Topical Conference "TEACHING GENERAL RELATIVITY TO UNDERGRADUATES":
http://www.aapt-doorway.org/TGRU/

(I contributed an entry to the PF blog about it and the rest of the main AAPT meeting
https://www.physicsforums.com/blog/2006/07/30/aapt-syracuse-2006/ )
 
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