Temperature in MCNP - Using Library ENDF7 for Research Reactor

  • Thread starter Thread starter chivasorn
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Mcnp Temperature
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the implementation of temperature in the MCNP code, specifically regarding the use of the ENDF7 library for a research reactor. Participants explore how to calculate flux distribution at a temperature not directly available in the library and the implications of temperature settings on calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating flux distribution at 330 K using the ENDF7 library, which provides data at specific temperatures (300 K, 600 K, 900 K, 1200 K, and 1500 K).
  • Another participant suggests that interpolation could be used or that 300 K might suffice since 330 K is close to it, arguing that Doppler broadening and density changes are not significant between these temperatures.
  • A participant questions the effect of the TMP card in MCNP, seeking clarification on its impact on calculation results.
  • It is noted that the TMP card is intended for thermal neutron energy adjustments and must align with material temperatures.
  • One participant mentions the use of NJOY for generating temperature libraries and MODUL ACER for creating applicable data, indicating these tools are somewhat rare.
  • Concerns are raised about the TMP parameter's effect on cross-section data, with a participant explaining that discrepancies between TMP values and nuclide temperatures can lead to MCNP modifying cross-sections using a free-gas treatment, which may not be precise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of temperature adjustments in MCNP calculations, with some suggesting that small temperature differences may not greatly impact results, while others raise concerns about the precision of the free-gas treatment and its implications for accuracy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the precise effects of the TMP card and the implications of using interpolation or default temperature values in calculations. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the impact of temperature on neutron behavior and cross-section accuracy.

chivasorn
Messages
22
Reaction score
0
Hi there,
I want to know that how can involve the temperature in mcnp code.
for example; the library endf7 for mcnp has five certain temperature:300 kelvin, 600 kelvin, 900 kelvin, 1200 kelvin & 1500 kelvin. if I want to calculate flux distribution in 330 kelvin for a research reactor, how can I?

best regards
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
Is there no temperature dependence functions.

One could interpolate, or given than 330 K is ~ 300 K, simply use 300 K. The Doppler broadening shouldn't be too significant going from 300 K to 330 K. The density changes are not very significant either.
 
Hi Astronuc.
I have another question; TMP card in MCNP that can be entered at cell card have not any effect in result of calculations?
Please, more explain about that, I need.

have best time.
 
TMP card is used for the energy of thermal neutrons so you have have to accommodate the material temperatures
 
Hi..

for temperature, there is a nuclear code to produce the library for it...
an NJOY, but it some kind of rare code...

by MODUL ACER, you can create the applicable data for any temperature...and it is also applicable for WIMS...

but, I do agree with Mr. Astronuc...
 
If the value of TMP parameter (or its default value if not given explicitly) in a cell card differs from temperature of nuclide in cross-section file, then MCNP modifies the nuclide cross-section using free-gas treatment (you can see a warning message during execution and in output file). It resets temperature to the room temp. and then (if a TMP value given) to the requested temperature. I haven't dug into this problem, but from what I heard, the free-gas treatment is not very precise procedure. The treatment happens even if you have difference in the last digit, i.e. negligible. This can potentially produce unnecessary discrepancy in your results. Please, correct me if it is wrong.

chivasorn said:
Hi Astronuc.
I have another question; TMP card in MCNP that can be entered at cell card have not any effect in result of calculations?
Please, more explain about that, I need.

have best time.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
8K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
0
Views
2K