Tension and friction on an angle

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The problem involves calculating the tension in a rope used to pull a sleigh with children over level snow, considering the effects of kinetic friction and the angle of the rope. The total mass of the sleigh and children is given, along with the coefficient of kinetic friction and the angle of the rope with the horizontal.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of forces, including the normal force and frictional force, and how these relate to the tension in the rope. Questions arise about the application of static versus kinetic friction and the interpretation of the problem's requirements.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some have suggested calculating the horizontal force needed to maintain constant velocity, while others are clarifying the role of friction and the components of the tension force.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the distinction between static and kinetic friction, and the problem specifically asks for the tension required to maintain constant speed, not to initiate motion. Participants are also considering the implications of the angle of the rope on the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


An adult is pulling two small children in a sleigh over level snow. The sleigh and children have a total mass of 47kg. The sleigh rope makes an angle of 23degrees with the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the sleigh and the snow is 0.11. Calculate the magnitude of the tension in the rope needed to keep the sleigh moving at a constant velocity.


Homework Equations


Fk=μFn
Fg= mg
ƩFx=ma(x)
ƩFy=ma(y)


The Attempt at a Solution



Fn≠Fg
Fn= Fgcosθ
= mgcosθ
= (47kg)(9.8m/s^2)cos23
Fn= 424N

Fg=mg
=(47kg)(9.8m/s^2)
Fg=461N

Fk=μFn
= (0.11)(424N)
Fk=46.64N

If it is to move at a constant velocity, there would be no acceleration
ƩFx=ma(x)
Ft+ (-Fk)=ma(x)
Ft=ma(x)+Fk
but if there is no acceleration then a=0
Ft=Fk
But, that's not the case.

Ideas?
 
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Why don't you first compute the horizontal force needed to keep the sled in motion? You have the mass and you have gravitational constant. These mutliplied by the kinetic friction coefficient yields the force needed to keep it in motion with no acceleration.

Then determine the resultant force on the rope. It must be such that when resolved into components the horizontal component is sufficient to maintain sled motion. Therefore, it will be larger than the horizontal force needed to maintain constant speed.
 
μmg= Fs does it not?
By finding the Fs I can determine the minimum horizontal force needed for the sled to move, but μ is for kinetic friction, I didn't think I could use that for static friction.
 
Your problem says nothing about getting the sled started. It only asks for the tension to keep it moving at constant speed.

"An adult is pulling ..."
 
Ok, I'm just a little confused as to what you were trying to say before. μmg, where does that equation come from?
(0.11)(47kg)(9.8m/s^2)
=50.6N
and what does that give me? is that the horizontal component of Ft?
 
Weight multiplied by coefficient of friction gives the force needed to overcome friction and keep moveing the block at constant speed. It would be the horizontal component of the tension in the rope. So 0.11*47*9.8 = 50.6N. That's the horizontal force needed to keep constant speed.

Not to complicate matters, but the mg force that is multiplied by friction coefficient MUST be normal to the surface. So if the sled were on a slope things would be different because the force normal to a sloped surface is less than what it is if the surface is horizontal such as with this problem.
 

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