Tension and pulleys (not calculative questions)

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of tension in a pulley system and the measurements taken with a spring scale. The original poster raises questions about the nature of the forces involved when different masses are suspended and how the spring scale readings relate to tension and net force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand what force a spring scale measures in the context of different masses and pulleys. They question why the scale reads the same value despite varying masses and whether the smaller mass will accelerate upwards when compared to the larger mass.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging with the original poster's questions, seeking clarification on the setup and the forces at play. Some suggest that the spring scale measures tension, while others question the consistency of the readings with different masses. There is an exploration of the relationship between the masses and their acceleration, with some participants proposing that the accelerations might be equal.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a diagram that may clarify the setup, and a participant notes a potential error in the original poster's description of the system. The discussion includes uncertainty about the effects of mass on the readings of the spring scale and the dynamics of the pulley system.

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Homework Statement


1) What force does a spring scale measure? (I measured several different masses in different ways using pulleys and the spring scale always came up with the same number of Newtons, is this tension or what?)

2) Why, even when two different sized masses are hanged upon a pulley, the spring scale comes up with the same number of Newtons? What does this say about the tension in the spring?

3) If two masses are hanged upon a pulley and one of them is greater, will the smaller one accelerate? If so, in what direction? What about the bigger one? How do they compare in magnitude, and explain this.

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The Attempt at a Solution



1) I think it's the tension but I'm not sure.

2) I have no clue.

3) I believe the smaller one will accelerate upwards and the bigger one downwards but I don't know why and I don't know if the |acceleration| is equal.
 
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Do you have a sketch or description? a spring scale measures force...if it is installed in the cord, it measures the cord tension...but i don't understand why the tension would be the same when you change the masses...please describe problem in detail.
 
So is it tension that it's measuring or the net force (including the force of gravity)?

Here's a diagram:

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Doesn't seem right. The scale is measuring the sum of the rope tension forces. In case 1, if the mass was hooked to the hook , at rest, the scale would read 1 N. In case 2, it would read 2N. Probably the masses are so small that you can't see the difference in the scale readings. Try using larger weights. Now what happens when one mass is greater than the other? Logically, one moves down and the other moves up, and since thet are connected by the rope, their acceleration magnitudes must be _____?
 
equal?

Also I goofed up the diagram, they're both being pulled down on opposite sides of a pulley not a spring scale.
 

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