Tension force of an object on a slope

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The problem involves a box being pulled up a slope at a 30-degree angle with a coefficient of friction of 0.25, while experiencing an acceleration of 1.5 m/s² down the hill. The objective is to determine the tension force in the rope. The original poster attempts to calculate various forces acting on the box, including gravitational force, normal force, and frictional force, while expressing difficulty in deriving the correct tension value.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down forces into components parallel and normal to the slope, with suggestions to create separate equations for each component. Questions arise regarding the meaning of these components and how to redefine coordinates accordingly. The original poster expresses confusion about isolating the tension force amidst other acting forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem by considering force components. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in isolating the tension force due to the presence of multiple forces acting on the box.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the box sliding down the hill, which raises questions about the relationship between the frictional force and the tension force. The original poster indicates a specific expected answer, which adds to the context of their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A box is trying to be pulled by a rope up a hill that is 30 degrees above the horizontal. The coefficient of friction (\mu) is 0.25. The acceleration is 1.5m/s^{2} down the hill. The mass of the box is 2.0 kg. Find the force of tension in the rope.

Homework Equations


Fg = mg
Fn = Fg
Ff = \muFn
Fnet = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by calculating each of the forces that I could.

Fg = mg = (2.0)(9.8) = 19.6 N

Fn = Fg = 19.6 N

Ff = \muFn = (0.25)(19.6) = 4.9 N

I drew a diagram and broke everything into components.

[URL]http://img231.imageshack.us/i/physicsforces.png/[/URL]

I forgot to add that if we do components of each force we have to do the components of acceleration, which becomes either 1.5cos30
or 1.5sin30 [down].

I plugged the components into the Fnet = ma equation but it didn't work, like so:

Fnet = ma (up/down)
Ftsin30 + 19.6sin60 - 19.6 - 4.9sin30 = (2.0)(-1.5sin30)
Ftsin30 - 5.0759... = -1.5
Ftsin30 = 3.5759
Ft = 7.1518

buuut that's not right because, at the least, Ff > Ft since the box is sliding down the hill.

Fnet = ma (left/right)
Ftcos30 - 4.9cos30 - 19.6cos60 - 0 = (2.0)(1.5cos30)
Ftcos 30 + 5.5564... = 2.5980...
Ftcos 30 = -2.95...
Ft = -3.41

once again, wrong.

pleeeease help!​
 
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I haven't checked your calculations, but this question would be much easier if you broke the force up into a component parallel to the slope, and a component normal to the slope. That way, you'll get two nice equations--one for each component--that are easy to solve.
 
not to sound like a complete noob buuut what do you mean by parallel to the slope and normal to the slope?
 
You can redefine your coordinates so that the x coordinate represents distance down the slope, and the y coordinate represents distance perpendicular to the slope. I've attached a drawing to try to explain.
 

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yeah and I made each force into its respective components (as the ugly math says up there) and tried isolating Ft but it was wrong every time. the answer should be about 2.5 (apparently) and I haven't gotten that yet

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What do you mean by isolate. There will always be other forces involved.
What are the forces acting parallel to the surface of incline?
 

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