Tension in a Two-Crate System on a Frictionless Surface

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving tension in a two-crate system on a frictionless surface, specifically analyzing the forces acting on a 4 kg and a 6 kg box. Participants are exploring the relationships between the applied force and tension in the context of Newton's laws of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive equations for the forces acting on each box and are questioning the assumptions made about the tension being the same for both boxes. There is also a discussion about the definitions of the forces involved and the need for a diagram to clarify the scenario.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the definitions of forces and the importance of correctly setting up the equations. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original equations, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the tension should be the same for both boxes, but there are indications of confusion regarding the equations and the forces involved. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in defining the forces and the relationships between them.

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Homework Statement
Two crates, one with mass 4 kg and the other with mass 6 kg, sit on the frictionless surface of a frozen pond, connected by a light rope. A woman wearing golf shoes pulls horizontally on the 6 kg create with a force F that gives the crate an acceleration of 2.50n m/s^2 what is tension
Relevant Equations
F=ma
for 4kg box:
Fx = T
m1a=T
(4) (2.50) = T
10 = T

for 6 kg box: Fx = Fa - T
m2a = m2a - T
15 = 15 - T
15-15 = T
0 = T

I assumed the tension would be the same for both boxes, they are supposed to be, so what did I do wrong and is the answer 10 or zero?
 
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What are your definitions of Fx and Fa in both cases?
 
Orodruin said:
What are your definitions of Fx and Fa in both cases?
fa = force applied
fx = sum of forces in the x
 
babaypenguin88 said:
fa = force applied
fx = sum of forces in the x
You ought to have a diagram of the scenario. There are two boxes, hence two objects with forces on them.
 
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babaypenguin88 said:
fa = force applied
fx = sum of forces in the x
Then Fa is not necessarily equal to ma. Only the net force is equal to ma.
 
babaypenguin88 said:
for 6 kg box: Fx = Fa - T
m2a = m2a - T
I think you have a typo in your 2nd equation. You can't have both ##F_x## and ##F_a## equal to ##m_2a##.
 
Further to @Mister T's remark, your equation for the 4kg block has only one unknown, T, whereas that for the 6kg block has/should have two, F and T. Consequently the second equation is only of interest if you wish to find F.
 
haruspex said:
Further to @Mister T's remark, your equation for the 4kg block has only one unknown, T, whereas that for the 6kg block has/should have two, F and T. Consequently the second equation is only of interest if you wish to find F.
ok thanks you
 

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