Tension on the string is doing work

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The discussion revolves around whether the tension in a string does work on a ball being swung in circular motion. Participants are exploring the relationship between tension, work, and energy in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants express confusion about the concept of work in relation to tension and circular motion, questioning whether the tension does work given the constant kinetic energy. Some suggest considering the definition of work and the angle between force and displacement.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the definitions and implications of work in this scenario. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and clarifications are being explored.

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Participants are considering the implications of the tension force being perpendicular to the displacement and the definition of work as a dot product, which may influence their understanding of energy conservation in the system.

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Homework Statement



When someone ties a string to a ball and swings it in a circular motion is the string doing work on the ball?

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The Attempt at a Solution



Ok I am a little bit lost here it does seem that the tension on the string is doing work on the ball but again there is no change in kinetic energy(constant rotation) so could there be no work at all? I am totally lost here .
 
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BlueOwl said:

Homework Statement



When someone ties a string to a ball and swings it in a circular motion is the string doing work on the ball?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Ok I am a little bit lost here it does seem that the tension on the string is doing work on the ball but again there is no change in kinetic energy(constant rotation) so could there be no work at all? I am totally lost here .

Write down the expression for the work done by a force on an object (Hint: It is not "force times distance") and apply it to this situation.
 


The tension force of the string which coincide with the length of the string. It didn't make any difference of distance with the axis, so, it didn't loss any energy.
 


prob_solv said:
The tension force of the string which coincide with the length of the string. It didn't make any difference of distance with the axis, so, it didn't loss any energy.

In theory yes the mechanical energy of the system stays constant i.e. KE+PE=constant.

But does if work is said to be done when a force F moves it point of application through a displacement s in the direction of the force, would the string do work on the ball?
 


The tension force is perpendicular with the movement of s. You may not just multiply it without seeing the vector.
 


prob_solv, that's a dead give-away, I think you should edit it out and let the thread starter reach that conclusion by himself.

As the others have pointed out here, work is not just the force times the distance over which it is exerted on the mass. If you're more of a maths guy, this exact definition should help you:

[tex]W \equiv \vec F \cdot d \equiv |F||d|\cos{\theta}[/tex]
Work is defined as the dot product of the force vector and the displacement vector. The dot product:
[tex]\vec A\cdot\vec B\equiv |A||B|\cos{\theta}[/tex] where [tex]\theta[/tex] is the angle between the two vectors.
 

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