Tensor Products - D&F - Extension of the scalars

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The discussion focuses on the extension of scalars in the context of tensor products as explained in Dummit and Foote's "Abstract Algebra," specifically in Section 10.4. The key point is the construction of a free $\mathbb{Z}$-module from the set $S \times N$, where $S$ is a ring and $N$ is an $R$-module. Participants clarify that the addition of elements in this context should not involve component-wise addition but rather formal sums, leading to the formation of the free abelian group generated by $S \times N$. This understanding is crucial for correctly applying the axioms of module theory.

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I am attempting to understand Dummit and Foote exposition on 'extending the scalars' in Section 10.4 Tensor Products of scalars - see attachment - particularly page 360)

[I apologise in advance to MHB members if my analysis and questions are not clear - I am struggling with tensor products! - anyway, I hope readers can divine what I am on about :) ]

On page 360, D&F write the following:

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If the R-module N were already a an S-module then there is no difficulty in "extending" the scalars from R to S, so we begin the construction by returning to the basic module axioms in order to examine whether we can define "products" of the form sn, for $$ s \in S $$ and $$ n \in N $$. These axioms start with an abelian group N together with a map from S x N to N, where the image of the pair (s,n) is denoted sn. It is therefore natural to consider the free $$ \mathbb{Z} $$-module (i.e. the free abelian group) on the set S x N i.e. the collection of all finite commuting sums of elements of the form $$ (s_i, n_i) $$ where $$ s \in S $$ and $$ n \in N $$. ... ... etc etc

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I would like someone to confirm (or correct) my statements and reasoning in the following ...

An abelian group on the set S x N would be an additive group, with an operation + defined componentwise, visually:

$$ (s_1, n_1)+ (s_2, n_2) = (s_1 + s_2, n_1 + n_2) $$ ... ... (1)

which seems OK since S is a ring and N is a module and so the two compnent + operations on the right of (1) above are OK. The operations + are associative, identity is (0,0), inverse of (s, n) is (-s, -n). Is that correct?

Now D&F write (see attachment or above)

"t is therefore natural to consider the free $$ \mathbb{Z} $$-module (i.e. the free abelian group) on the set S x N ... ..."

Now I am uncertain about how to form the free $$ \mathbb{Z} $$-module on the set S x N ... but anyway, I followed D&F's example on page 339 ... ... (see attachment)

Following D&F's example (where $$ R = \mathbb{Z} $$ ? ... in our case $$ R \ne \mathbb{Z} $$ , but continuing anyway ...) ... ...

Make the abelian group into a $$ \mathbb{Z} $$-module on the set S x N as follows:

For $$ m \in \mathbb{Z} $$ and (s,n) in S x N we define:

m(s,n) = (s,n) + ... ... + (s,n) (m times if $$m \gt 0 $$)

and

m(s,n) =0 if m = 0

and

m(s,n) = - (s,n) - ... ... - (s,n) (m times if $$m \lt 0 $$)

(and I take it that -(s,n) = (-s, -n) ...

But then, how do we (following what D&F say above) end up with elements of the free module being finite commuting sums of elements of the form $$ (s_i, n_i) $$ (i.e. elements of the form $$ \sum_i (s_i, n_i) $$ where the sum is finite?)

Do we actually "forbid" operations of addition of elements such as $$ (s_1, n_1)+ (s_2, n_2) = (s_1 + s_2, n_1 + n_2) $$? Can someone please clarify this matter?

Further, how does the map from S x N to N with the images sn come into the above construction ...

I would appreciate some help.

Peter
 
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You start with the set $S\times N$. But you do not define $(s_1,n_1) + (s_2,n_2) = (s_1+s_2,n_1+n_2)$. If you are doing that, you are doing it incorrectly. So how do you define addition? You basically just defined formal sums. In other words, you just keep $(s_1,n_1) + (s_2,n_2)$ without adding anything together. There is no component addition. It is just formal addition.

You start with $S\times N$ and then form $F(S\times N)$ this is the free abelian group generated by the set $S\times N$. So it consists of all formal sums.

Any abelian group can be regarded as a $\mathbb{Z}$-module by defining $ng = g+g+...+g$ and with negatives if $n$ is a negative integer. Now since $F(S\times N)$ is an abelian group it can now be regarded as a $\mathbb{Z}$-module in the sense just explained above.
 
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No.

You start with the set $S\times N$. But you do not define $(s_1,n_1) + (s_2,n_2) = (s_1+s_2,n_1+n_2)$. If you are doing that, you are doing it incorrectly. So how do you define addition? You basically just defined formal sums. In other words, you just keep $(s_1,n_1) + (s_2,n_2)$ without adding anything together. There is no component addition. It is just formal addition.

You start with $S\times N$ and then form $F(S\times N)$ this is the free abelian group generated by the set $S\times N$. So it consists of all formal sums.

Any abelian group can be regarded as a $\mathbb{Z}$-module by defining $ng = g+g+...+g$ and with negatives if $n$ is a negative integer. Now since $F(S\times N)$ is an abelian group it can now be regarded as a $\mathbb{Z}$-module in the sense just explained above.

Thanks, your post is most helpful!

Peter
 

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