Testing Quantum vs. Classical Physics Predictions of Which-Way Double Slit

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The discussion revolves around the predictions of quantum and classical physics regarding the outcomes of a double-slit experiment when polarizing filters are applied at the slits. Participants explore how varying the orientation of these filters affects the interference pattern and the polarization of light, examining both theoretical implications and potential experimental setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when polarizing filters are set parallel, an interference pattern is observed, while crossing the filters eliminates the pattern, suggesting a relationship between potential knowledge of which slit the particle passes through and the resulting interference.
  • It is suggested that quantum physics predicts the disappearance of the interference pattern due to potential which-way information, while classical physics requires an analysis of wave vectors to explain the same outcome.
  • One participant describes a proposed experimental setup to test the differing predictions of quantum and classical physics regarding polarization outcomes at a screen.
  • Another participant emphasizes that in classical physics, diagonal polarization results from the overlap of horizontal and vertical components at the polarizer, paralleling the behavior of photons.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of photon polarization and whether it can definitively indicate which-way information.
  • A later reply questions whether the split probability waves will superposition into a 100% probability of diagonal polarization or if the photons will be evenly split between vertical and horizontal polarization when they hit the screen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of polarization and its implications for which-way information, with no consensus reached on the accurate quantum mechanical prediction regarding the polarization of photons at the screen.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the interaction between light polarization and interference patterns, with unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying their interpretations and the mathematical details of the predictions.

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DrChinese said:
Suppose I place polarizing filters at each slit. If they are set to be parallel (0 degrees difference), then I get no knowledge of which slit the particle goes through. There IS an interference pattern. If they are set to be crossed (90 degrees difference), then I potentially get complete knowledge of which slit the particle goes through. Of course, now there is NO interference pattern. And as I vary the relative angle setting of the polarizers between 0 and 90 degrees, the pattern morphs from one to the other.

... The ONLY thing changing is our potential knowledge of which slit. Note that we don't need to actually KNOW which slit the particle went through for the pattern to change. Merely that we could obtain it with the setup is enough.
If we add polarizers to the slits like DrChinese describes above, I believe there is a difference in predicted outcomes between quantum physics and classical physics. A difference I believe can be tested.

Both quantum and classical physics predict that the interference pattern will disappear. Quantum physics tells us this happens because we have potential which-way information. In classical physics we have to analyze the split wave vectors to understand what happens. When the waves hit the screen in phase, http://www.enzim.hu/~szia/cddemo/edemo4.htm, the superpositioned wave will be the same as the initial one (pre slits). When they're completely out of phase, the resulting wave vector will oscillate orthogonally to the initial one. In the minimas, where the phase shift is 1/4 or 3/4, the resulting wave vector will spin, ie the superpositioned wave will be circularly polarized, http://www.enzim.hu/~szia/cddemo/edemo5.htm. All superpositions in between those will be some transition between the initial, orthogonal and circular oscillation. But in no case will there ever be destructive interference, hence no interference pattern.

In the quantum scenario, if we fire photons through the slits one at a time, each photon will pass the slits and hit the screen polarized either horizontally or vertically. The possibility of obtaining this polarization is what destroys the interference pattern.

In the classical scenario, if we fire extremely week light waves through the slits, each one will split in a horizontal and a vertical component, which will superposition at the screen more or less phase shifted. Depending on the phase shift, the vector oscillation will be more or less rotated / circularly polarized.

Testing these two predictions should be easy. We add a polarizing filter in front of the slits to polarize the initial light diagonally. We then remove a strip in the center of the screen and we replace it with a second filter. We add a detector behind the screen to count photons / light waves. http://insector.se/slit_setup.jpg.

Quantum physics predict that all photons hitting the center strip will be either horizontally or vertically polarized, so no matter what orientation we set on polarizer B, approximately half should pass through.

Classical physics predict that all the superpositioned waves hitting the center strip will be mainly diagonally polarized. So if we orient polarizer B in line with polarizer A, a majority of the light will pass through. If we orient B orthogonally to A, only a minimum amount (if any) will pass through.

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Hydr0matic said:
Quantum physics predict that all photons hitting the center strip will be either horizontally or vertically polarized, so no matter what orientation we set on polarizer B, approximately half should pass through.

Classical physics predict that all the superpositioned waves hitting the center strip will be mainly diagonally polarized. So if we orient polarizer B in line with polarizer A, a majority of the light will pass through. If we orient B orthogonally to A, only a minimum amount (if any) will pass through.

You have to treat both cases in the same way. In classical physics you say that you get diagonally polarized light when it is incident to the polarizer. In order to get light with diagonal polarization the horizontal and vertical component must overlap, e.g. at the polarizer.

The same applies to the photon too. The left path with horizontal polarization and the right path with vertical polarization overlap at the polarizer yielding a diagonal polarization.
 
After some thinking I am not so sure about my answer anymore, in particular about the photon having diagonal polarization as a result of the overlap. Sorry! :redface:
 
Edgardo said:
After some thinking I am not so sure about my answer anymore, in particular about the photon having diagonal polarization as a result of the overlap. Sorry! :redface:
Appreciate the comments, no need to be sorry :smile: .. Perhaps someone with better knowledge on the subject can weigh in. if the photon will have diagonal polarization, how could one detect which-way info?
 
Anyone who can settle this?

Looking for the accurate quantum mechanical prediction...
The photon's wavefunction passes both slits, and then interferes in the center of the screen. Will the split probability waves superposition into a 100% probability of diagonal polarization, or will the photons be 50/50 vertical or horizontal when they hit the screen?
 

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