Textbook recommendations for second year physics (UK university)

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for textbooks suitable for second-year physics students at a UK university. Participants explore various subjects including statistical mechanics, electromagnetism, optics, computational physics, Hamiltonian mechanics, and fluid mechanics, seeking accessible texts that align with their coursework.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the suitability of "Concepts in Thermal Physics" by Blundell for statistical mechanics, with one noting that Landau's text is also available but in another language.
  • In discussing electromagnetism, some express dissatisfaction with "Electromagnetism" by Grant and Phillips and question the value of Purcell's "Electricity and Magnetism," while others suggest Griffiths as a more accessible alternative.
  • Hecht's "Optics" is mentioned, but some participants indicate they are unfamiliar with it.
  • For computational physics, participants ask about the quality of "Learning Scientific Programming with Python" and "Computational Physics" by Newman.
  • In relation to Hamiltonian mechanics, there is a search for accessible texts, with "Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems" being discussed, and one participant mentions the complexity of Goldstein's text.
  • Fluid mechanics is also addressed, with participants noting the difficulty of Landau's text and seeking other accessible options.
  • Some participants suggest that the textbooks listed may be more appropriate for upper-division undergraduate or graduate courses rather than second-year students.
  • Recommendations include Marion and Thornton's mechanics book as a more accessible option and mention of online resources by Prof. Fitzpatrick.

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Participants express a range of opinions on the recommended textbooks, with no clear consensus on which texts are best suited for second-year students. Multiple competing views exist regarding the accessibility and appropriateness of various texts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the complexity of the textbooks may not align with the expected level of understanding for second-year students, and there are varying levels of familiarity with the UK education system among contributors.

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TL;DR Summary: Which are the best textbooks for the subjects I mention? Those on my reading list are graduate level texts

I'm due to start second-year physics in a UK university in October and wanted to prepare well for it (especially after I got a first in year 1). All of the modules I plan to take have reading lists, but those books on those lists for the most part are incredibly complicated.

Statistical mechanics- How good is "Concepts in Thermal Physics" by Blundell? (I also do have Landau's text on this)

Electromagnetism- The reading list includes "Electromagnetism" by Grant and Phillips, but I haven't been impressed by it. Is Purcell's 'Electricity and Magnetism' worth getting? I especially like that it has a massive amount of problems and answers to them

Optics- How good is Hecht's 'Optics'?

Computational physics (ie programming with Python)- are "Learning Scientific Programming with Python" and "Computational Physics" by Newman any good?

Hamiltonian mecahnics- Reading list has the outrageously complicated Goldstein text. I do have Landau's text, but it is in another language. I am looking for an accessible text on the subject written for second-year physics students, preferably with lots of problems. What about "Classical Dynamics of particles and systems"?

Fluid mechanics- Again, Landau in another language. Are there any other accessible texts at my level?

The full module list is here:
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physi...aduate_study/physics_courses/secondyrmodules/

Thanks for your help!
 
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jqmhelios said:
Electromagnetism- The reading list includes "Electromagnetism" by Grant and Phillips, but I haven't been impressed by it. Is Purcell's 'Electricity and Magnetism' worth getting? I especially like that it has a massive amount of problems and answers to them
I gave up on Purcell as it was too wordy for me and switched to Griffiths. I'm a slow reader and struggle with a lot of text.

I feel like I'm on the same wavelength as Griffiths and got a lot from all his books: QM, EM and Particle Physics. That may be a personal thing.
 
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What about "Classical Dynamics of particles and systems"
That's Marion and Thornton, right? I had to Google the title because nobody in physics academia (that I know, anyway) remembers textbooks by title, only by author(s). :smile:
 
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TL;DR Summary: Which are the best textbooks for the subjects I mention? Those on my reading list are graduate level texts

I'm due to start second-year physics in a UK university in October and wanted to prepare well for it (especially after I got a first in year 1). All of the modules I plan to take have reading lists, but those books on those lists for the most part are incredibly complicated.

Statistical mechanics- How good is "Concepts in Thermal Physics" by Blundell? (I also do have Landau's text on this)
I don't know this text, but Landau & Lifshitz vol. 5 is very good.
jqmhelios said:
Electromagnetism- The reading list includes "Electromagnetism" by Grant and Phillips, but I haven't been impressed by it. Is Purcell's 'Electricity and Magnetism' worth getting? I especially like that it has a massive amount of problems and answers to them
I'd not consider Purcell's Berkeley physics course volume. I find it overcomplicating things by trying to avoid the adequate math. For intro E&M I'd consider Griffiths.
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Optics- How good is Hecht's 'Optics'?
This one I don't know.
jqmhelios said:
Computational physics (ie programming with Python)- are "Learning Scientific Programming with Python" and "Computational Physics" by Newman any good?

Hamiltonian mecahnics- Reading list has the outrageously complicated Goldstein text. I do have Landau's text, but it is in another language. I am looking for an accessible text on the subject written for second-year physics students, preferably with lots of problems. What about "Classical Dynamics of particles and systems"?
Again Landau is excellent. Goldstein is a standard text, but avoid at all costs the newer editions, distorted by some new authors. The 2nd edition is very good. Who's the author of "Classicl Dynamics..."?
jqmhelios said:
Fluid mechanics- Again, Landau in another language. Are there any other accessible texts at my level?
Landau & Lifshitz vol. 6 again very good (all Landau & Lifshitz physics course volumes are outstanding; except vol. 4 about QED; here I'd consider a more modern text like Schwartz or Coleman).
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There is a link on the stat-mech/EM/optics module lists more texts, including an 'essential' book for the stat mech part (Blundell and Blundell). For EM they also list Lorrain, Corson and Lorrain, which is a nice alternative to Griffiths that has a more interesting selection of problems; as a text I like Griffiths a little better, though. Both of those EM books are accessible.

You mentioned that the books are very advanced. I am not familiar with the UK system, so don't know what level math and physics you have already learned. In the US, mechanics books like Goldstein and Landau would more likely be used either in upper-division undergrad (3rd/4th year) or graduate level courses. The mechanics book by Marion and Thornton is easier, and used copies of old editions should be very inexpensive.

Prof. Fitzpatrick at UT Austin has some good online resources for many of these topics at
https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching.html
He seems to write his own texts for many of the courses he teaches.

jason
 
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Hamiltonian mecahnics- Reading list has the outrageously complicated Goldstein text. I do have Landau's text, but it is in another language. I am looking for an accessible text on the subject written for second-year physics students, preferably with lots of problems. What about "Classical Dynamics of particles and systems"?
I used Mechanics by K. Symon in upper-division classical mechanics. I seem to recall liking the book at the time. It's actually the first suggested reference Goldstein lists at the end of Chapter 1 in the second edition. He describes it as "an excellent and unusually detailed intermediate textbook on mechanics that can be used with much profit as a preliminary, and often as a supplement, to the present book."
 

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