Textbook 'The Physics of Waves': Lifetime of SHM Oscillators

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "lifetime" in the context of simple harmonic motion (SHM) oscillators as described in the textbook "The Physics of Waves." Participants are exploring the implications of the lifetime of oscillators, particularly focusing on underdamped, overdamped, and critically damped systems.

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  • Participants are questioning whether the concept of "lifetime" can be applied to overdamped and critically damped oscillators in the same way as it is for underdamped oscillators. They are discussing the definitions and equations associated with these different types of oscillators.

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There is an active exploration of definitions and terminology related to the lifetime of oscillators. Some participants are providing insights into the differences between underdamped and overdamped systems, while others are seeking clarification on the applicability of the term "lifetime" across these categories. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note that in practice, "oscillations" are typically associated with underdamped systems, while other terms like "rise time" are used for overdamped and critically damped systems. There is also mention of varying definitions of lifetime based on amplitude reduction criteria.

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Homework Statement
The lifetime of the state in free oscillation is of order ##\frac 1 { \Gamma }##.
Relevant Equations
$$\tau=\frac { \ln(4) } { \Gamma }$$
Reference textbook “The Physics of Waves” in MIT website:
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/8-03sc-...es-fall-2016/resources/mit8_03scf16_textbook/

Chapter 2 - Section 2.3.2 [Page 47] (see attached file)


Question: In the content, it states that the lifetime of the state in free oscillation is of order ##\frac 1 { \Gamma }##. To my understanding, it means particularly the half-life of underdamped oscillators with position ##x\left( t \right)##:
$$x\left( t \right)=Ae^{ -\frac {\Gamma t} {2} }\cos(\omega t-\theta)$$

However, could I consider the "half-life" of overdamped oscillators and critically damped oscillators?

If so, would it still be of order ##\frac 1 { \Gamma }##?

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brettng said:
In the content, it states that the lifetime of the state in free oscillation is of order ##\frac 1 { \Gamma }##.
Do you understand what is meant here by "lifetime"? Also, what do the equations for ##x(t)## look like over damped and critically damped oscillators?
 
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DrClaude said:
Do you understand what is meant here by "lifetime"? Also, what do the equations for ##x(t)## look like over damped and critically damped oscillators?
I understand that lifetime means that the oscillation amplitude reduces by a factor of 2.

So, why can’t we still consider the “lifetime” of overdamped and critically damped oscillators by using the same definition?
 
In practice, people only refer to "oscillations" wrt underdamped systems. Otherwise we tend to use "rise time"; usually defined as 10-90%, tr = 2.2τ. But it is the equation that holds the real answers, the rest is just jargon.
 
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brettng said:
I understand that lifetime means that the oscillation amplitude reduces by a factor of 2.
That would be the half-life. Lifetime itself is actually more vague. For instance, in this case one could take ##\tau = 1/\Gamma##, which would be the time for the oscillation amplitude to be reduced by a factor ##1/\sqrt{e}##, or ##\tau = 2/\Gamma##, for a reduction of the amplitude by ##1/e##. They are all of order ##1/\Gamma##, as the text states, and as @DaveE stated, they all relate to a decrease of the amplitude of oscillations, and different terminology is used for critically and over-damped oscillators, which do not actually oscillate.
 
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Thank you so much for your help!!!!!!
 

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