The area form of a Riemannian surface

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The discussion focuses on the area form of a Riemannian surface, specifically the canonical area-2 form defined on an oriented Riemannian surface. Participants explore the independence of this form from the choice of positively oriented coordinates, involving transformations and the effects on the metric and volume form.

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  • One participant defines the canonical area-2 form $$\mathrm{d}M$$ and its expression in terms of the determinant of the Riemannian metric and local coordinates.
  • Another participant suggests that the canonical volume form can be defined as the top form that takes the value 1 on any positively oriented g-orthonormal basis, leading to a local expression involving the transformation matrix.
  • A different participant calculates the effect of a change of variables on the wedge product of differentials and expresses uncertainty about applying the chain rule to the first fundamental form without a specific function.
  • Following a hint, another participant derives the relationship between the new Riemannian metric and the original metric using the Jacobian of the transformation, showing how the area form remains invariant under coordinate changes.
  • One participant acknowledges the correctness of the previous contributions.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationships involved in the transformation of the area form, but there is some uncertainty expressed regarding the application of the chain rule in specific contexts.

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Some participants note limitations in their understanding of how to apply certain mathematical concepts, such as the chain rule in the context of the first fundamental form, indicating that not all assumptions or steps are fully resolved.

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Let $$(M,g)$$ be an oriented Remannian surface. Then globally $$(M,g)$$ has a canonical area-2 form $$\mathrm{d}M$$ defined by $$\mathrm{d}M=\sqrt{|g|} \mathrm{d}u^1 \wedge \mathrm{d}u^2$$ with respect to a positively oriented chart $$(u_{\alpha}, M_{\alpha})$$ where $$|g|=\mathrm{det}(g_{ij})$$ is the determinant of the Remannian metric in the coordinate frame for $$u_{\alpha}$$.

Let $$u^{i}=\Phi^{i}(v^1,v^2)$$ be a change of variables (so $$\Phi: V \to U$$ is the diffeomorphism of the coordinate change). Calculate the effect on $$\sqrt{|g|}$$ and $$\mathrm{d}u^1 \wedge \mathrm{d}u^2$$ to prove $$\mathrm{d}M$$ is independent of the choice of positively oriented coordinates.
 
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The intelligible way to introduce the canonical volume form dM on a riemannian manifold is by declaring it to be the top form that takes the value 1 on any positively oriented g-orthonormal basis. This is obviously well-defined simply because the transformation matrix btw any 2 such basis is an element of SO(n) which has determinant 1. Then, we may ask what is the local expression of this form in terms of local coordinates u.

For this, pick an arbitrary positively oriented g-orthonormal basis v. Then
dM=\det(A)du^1\wedge ... \wedge du^n
where A= "transformation matrix from basis ∂/∂u to basis v" = (g(∂/∂ui,vj)).

On the other hand, go ahead and compute gij=g(∂/∂ui,∂/∂uj) to be A².

Thus conclude that wrt local coordinates, dM has the form from your definition.
 
I got $$\mathrm{d}u^1 \wedge \mathrm{d}u^2=\mathrm{det}(\Phi) \mathrm{d}v^1\wedge\mathrm{d}v^2$$. I also know $$g_{ij}=\langle \frac{\partial}{\partial u^i} \frac{\partial}{\partial u^j} \rangle$$, moreover, for a surface $$f: U \to \mathbb{R}^3$$ the components of its first fundamental form $g$ after a change of variables $$u=\Phi(v)$$ becomes $$g'_{ij}(v)=\frac{\partial u^k}{\partial v^i}\frac{\partial u^l}{\partial v^j}g_{kl}(\Phi(v))$$. But I don't know how to apply chain rule to the expression $$g_{ij}=\langle \frac{\partial}{\partial u^i} \frac{\partial}{\partial u^j} \rangle$$ which is not related to any $$f$$?
 
Followed by Willie's hint. Write $$u^1=u^1(v^1,v^2)$$ and $$u^2=u^2(v^1,v^2)$$ to get $$\mathrm{d}u^1 \wedge \mathrm{d}u^2=\mathrm{det}(A)\mathrm{d}v^1 \wedge \mathrm{d}v^2$$where $$A:=\begin{vmatrix}\frac{\partial u^1}{\partial v^1}&\frac{\partial u^1}{\partial v^2}\\ \frac{\partial u^2}{\partial v^1}&\frac{\partial u^2}{\partial v^2}\end{vmatrix}$$ is the Jaobian for $$\Phi$$

Denote the new Remannian metric by $$g'$$ and apply chain rule to get $$g'_{ij}=g_{kl}\frac{\partial u^k}{\partial v^i}\frac{\partial u^l}{\partial v^j}.$$ Which is equivalent to $$(g'_{ij})=(A)(g_{ij})(A)^t$$, take determinant on both sides yield $$|g'|=|A|^2|g|$$.

Now $$\mathrm{d}M=\sqrt|g'| \mathrm{d}v^1 \wedge \mathrm{d}v^2=|A|\sqrt|g|\frac{1}{|A|}\mathrm{d}u^1\wedge\mathrm{d}u^2=\sqrt|g|\mathrm{d}u^1\wedge\mathrm{d}u^2$$
 
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Well done!
 

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