The Atmosphere and Earth's Orbit (Probably Easy Q)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of Earth's atmosphere in relation to its rotation and orbit. Participants explore the effects of gravity and friction on the atmosphere's movement, particularly in the context of the Coriolis effect and the atmospheric retention around the Earth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the atmosphere does not "left behind" while the Earth orbits, suggesting gravity as a potential reason for its retention.
  • Another participant asserts that without gravity, an atmosphere would be difficult to maintain.
  • A different participant clarifies that the atmosphere is not entirely free to be left behind during Earth's rotation due to friction with the Earth's surface, which also affects its orbital behavior.
  • It is noted that while the atmosphere has some freedom in relation to the Earth's orbit, gravity plays a crucial role in keeping it bound to the planet.
  • A further point is made regarding gas molecules needing to achieve escape velocity to leave Earth's gravity, with most remaining due to collisions in the upper atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the extent to which the atmosphere is free to move independently of the Earth’s rotation and orbit. There is no consensus on the nuances of these interactions, particularly regarding the roles of gravity and friction.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of atmospheric retention and the effects of gravitational forces on gas molecules are present, but these are not fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying atmospheric science, physics, or anyone curious about the dynamics of Earth's atmosphere in relation to its motion through space.

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Hi,

just wondering about a (probably) easy queation. Was learning about the coriolis effect today and how since the atmosphere is not rigidly connected to the Earth it appears to veer off a northerly/southerly course in a direction depending what hemisphere it occurs in... etc. Basically its effect on the atmosphere and winds.

I was wondering, if the atmosphere is free to be "left behind" (so to speak) while the Earth rotates, why is it not also left behind while the Earth orbits through space? Is it simply due to the force of gravity that the atmosphere remains around the Earth?

Thanks in advance,

-Spoon
 
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With no gravity it's hard to have an atmosphere
 
First off, the Earth's atmosphere is not entirely "free to be 'left behind'" while the Earth rotates. Because of friction between the atmosphere and the surface of the Earth, the Earth's atmosphere rotates pretty much with the Earth.

In the sense that the Earth's atmosphere is not rigidly coupled with the Earth, the atmosphere is to some extent "free to be 'left behind'" as the Earth orbits the Sun (and Moon). Just as friction with the Earth's surface restricts how much freedom the atmosphere has with respect to rotation, the Earth's gravity surface restricts how much freedom the atmosphere has with respect to orbiting the Sun.
 
Gas molecules stick around on the surface for approximately the same reason you do. They would only escape Earth's gravity by achieving escape velocity, just like you. A few in the upper atmosphere get bashed hard enough by neighbours to make it, but most fall back.
 

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