The Basel Problem: A Solid Solution Using Derivatives and Integrals

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The discussion revolves around a solution to the Basel problem that utilizes derivatives and integrals, which some participants find more robust than Euler's original approach. The focus is on understanding a specific part of the solution involving the relationship between odd and even integers and their squares.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over a specific explanation in the solution, particularly regarding the statement that any number can be expressed as the product of an odd number and a power of 2.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify this by stating that for odd integers, the power of 2 is 2^0, and for even integers, it can be factored into a form involving an odd integer.
  • A further participant reiterates their difficulty in understanding how the multiplication by 4/3 leads to the solution of the Basel problem, specifically questioning the transition from the sum of the reciprocals of odd squares to the overall sum.
  • One participant offers a detailed explanation, suggesting that every integer can be represented as an odd number multiplied by a power of 2, and that this relationship is key to understanding the transition in the solution.

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Participants generally express confusion and seek clarification on the logic presented in the solution. There is no consensus on the understanding of the specific mathematical steps involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the mathematical reasoning and the specific steps involved in transitioning from the sum of odd squares to the Basel problem solution, indicating potential gaps in understanding and assumptions made in the explanation.

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I found a nice solution to the Basel problem on the internet which I am liking very much. It deals with derivatives and integrals and appears to be a much more solid solution to the Basel problem than Euler's original solution. There is just one thing I am having trouble with to understand the solution. I think it is just me being an idiot but I can't understand the end of the second page,

The series on the right is the sum of the reciprocal of the odd squares, tantalizingly close to the Basel problem, and an easy trick makes it into a solution. Any number is the product of an odd number and a power of 2. For odd numbers, the power of 2 is 2^0 . Hence, any square is the product of an odd square and a power of 4. So, Euler multiplies this equation by the sum of the reciprocals of the powers of 4, as follows:

It sounds like garble and I don't get the logic. Can someone explain to me?

Thanks! :smile:
 
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I found a nice solution to the Basel problem on the internet which I am liking very much. It deals with derivatives and integrals and appears to be a much more solid solution to the Basel problem than Euler's original solution. There is just one thing I am having trouble with to understand the solution. I think it is just me being an idiot but I can't understand the end of the second page,

It sounds like garble and I don't get the logic. Can someone explain to me?

Thanks! :smile:

Are you referring to this quote?:

"Any number is the product of an odd number and a power of 2. For odd numbers, the power of 2 is 2^0 . Hence, any square is the product of an odd square and a power of 4. "

All it is saying is that if n is odd, n = 20*n and n2 = 40*n2, which isn't saying much.

If n is even, factor out all factors of 2 so n has the form n = 2pk for some odd integer k. Then n2=22pk2 = 4pk2.
 
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Are you referring to this quote?:

"Any number is the product of an odd number and a power of 2. For odd numbers, the power of 2 is 2^0 . Hence, any square is the product of an odd square and a power of 4. "

All it is saying is that if n is odd, n = 20*n and n2 = 40*n2, which isn't saying much.

If n is even, factor out all factors of 2 so n has the form n = 2pk for some odd integer k. Then n2=22pk2 = 4pk2.

I'm sorry but I'm still having a hard time understanding. I don't see what the small quote(what I quoted in my first post) is talking about or referring to. The equation above where I quoted says pi^2/8 = ∑ 1/(1+2 k)^2 (n = 0 to infinity). I don't see how euler knows to multiply by 4/3 to get pi^2/6 and solve the Basel problem. :(
 
I would try to answer to your question.
I had the same problems at that point when I read the text for the first time.
I think it can be explained as follows:
Every integer number, let's say 1,2,3,4... can be written as an odd number multiplied for some power of 2. If we take any odd number, let's say 7, we can have 7=7*2^0, 14=7*2^1 and so on.
The point is that if we start from the ensemble of just the odd numbers (1,3,5,7...) we can obtain the whole list of integer numbers by multiplying every term by the ensemble of powers of 2 (1,2,4,8...)
Therefore, to pass from the sum of the reciprocals of the odd squares to the sum of the reciprocal of all the integers we multiply the first sum by the sum of the reciprocal of the powers of 4 (2 squared). This last sum is equal to 3/4.
I hope this will be of some help
 

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