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A high school student is preparing for higher-category physics competitions but feels their understanding of classical mechanics is insufficient, particularly due to a lack of proofs in their textbooks. They prefer learning through proofs and deep understanding, which leads to frustration with standard physics definitions that seem too simplistic. The discussion highlights the difference between physics and mathematics, emphasizing that while physics uses mathematical principles, it is fundamentally empirical and often lacks formal proofs. Recommendations for textbooks include more advanced options like Morin or Landau and Lifshitz, as the student seeks a deeper mathematical treatment. The conversation underscores the importance of adapting learning methods to effectively grasp physics concepts.
  • #31
adjurovich said:
There are also prodigies: 14-year-olds that can solve college math problems easily? Why don’t you tell them to follow the curriculum?
edit: response removed in order to plan the response better

improved response:
Maybe you are and maybe you are not a prodigy. You should not expect yourself to be one.
If interested enough in Physics, then you will respond to this interest. The rest is
you put in enough effort to learn, because you are compelled from the inside to do it.
 
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adjurovich said:
I find something about your attitude to be very arrogant.
Right back atcha.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Right back atcha.
Fine, but I still didn’t get the explanation why I “don’t want” to go to competitions?
 
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symbolipoint said:
No! Most (of us ) will reject that as it is stated. "Reading some literature" and "watching tutorials,..." are not enough to learn. The learning process is more than just that, and at present I will not describe it; I have tried to in a few other postings in other related topics.
It doesn’t matter how I learnt it if can take the derivative? I also have as much theoretical background as I need: I understand what it is, how to use it, where to use it and when to use it? Maybe it’s wrong because I didn’t start from the group theory? I still think that’s relatively good for a high school student. The only gap I can think of in my precalculus knowledge are hyperbolic functions because I was so lazy to learn them, but I’ll do that when I find some extra time. But I don’t think mathematics is what this thread is intended for?
 
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adjurovich said:
It doesn’t matter how I learnt it if can take the derivative? I also have as much theoretical background as I need: I understand what it is, how to use it, where to use it and when to use it? Maybe it’s wrong because I didn’t start from the group theory? I still think that’s relatively good for a high school student. The only gap I can think of in my precalculus knowledge are hyperbolic functions because I was so lazy to learn them, but I’ll do that when I find some extra time. But I don’t think mathematics is what this thread is intended for?
I will be nice since you are a kid.

But you need an attitude adjustment. Your responses to the majority of users on this thread have been extremely rude.

Your know it all attitude will be a detriment to not only future studies, but life in general.
 
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MidgetDwarf said:
I will be nice since you are a kid.

But you need an attitude adjustment. Your responses to the majority of users on this thread have been extremely rude.

Your know it all attitude will be a detriment to not only future studies, but life in general.
I may have been rude with Vanadium since this guy commented some critique on every single thread I’ve made. My opinion is that if you don’t like some thread you should just skip? I think it’s a very reasonable one? I am very thankful to all members that have helped/tried to help me on this forum. However it’s obviously arrogant behavior if you are constantly trying to put down someone for no reason? I sincerely apologize to others if my responses sounded rude because it wasn’t my intention.
 
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The discussion in this thread goes nowhere and it is off the previously intended topic. Isn't time to close it?
 
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Frimus said:
The discussion in this thread goes nowhere and it is off the previously intended topic. Isn't time to close it?
Before topic becomes closed if that happens, one piece of advice is that o.p. try to get some academic and career advice & counseling local to where he is.
 
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@adjurovich -- you have received good feedback in this thread, both on your original question (textbooks), and on how your attitude is coming across to others. Please re-read the thread (I just did), and please take the advice to heart. You are young and curious and have a good future ahead of you, as long as you can start figuring out more about your intuition on how you learn best.

I also agree that it would be good for you to find a local Mentor to work with you where you live, and talk to your high school counselor to try to get into a better track for advanced students.
 
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