The best of laptops

r3dxP
Which brand of laptop is, for your sake, ranked 1, 2, 3?

My opinion:
1)IBM
2)Dell
3)Toshiba
4)ibook(apple)

PerennialII
Gold Member
2)Dell
Especially the precision series.

graphic7
Gold Member
ibook, definitely. Very solid notebook with a very solid, UNIX-like OS.

Dell makes a good laptop. Same with IBM, but I would have to rank Dell above IBM because of it's features. You basically get more for your money with Dell.

It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity
--Albert Einstein

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dduardo
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I would go with Apple, but that is because I don't really use windows.

For a windows pc I would go with dell

Gonzolo
I have chosen HP.

IBM laptop

Pros - Great performance, embedded security features (locks your data, helping to provide user authentication and data protection) The ability to recover your files with the push of a button. Hard drive braces for impact if you drop it.

Cons - Can get very expensive, especially when you go the thin and light route. Not for gaming

Dell

Pros - Great performance, cheaper, can withstand the occassional bumps, very reliable, you get a mousepad and a trackball.

Cons - Dvd playback can be jerky at times

I would definately recommend against dell laptops, I am known as a kind of computer guru around the dorm, and so I get a lot of help requests, I've seen dells fail a ridiculous number of times, I think in the past month, in a dorm of like 80 people, probably 30-40 have dells and I think there have been like 6-7 hard drives failed, most of the problems have seemed to be on the 5150 series, I'm not sure if the problem leaks over to other dell models, and also know that the test isn't large enough to be overly significant, but personally, dell does a very bad job of assembling computers. There are quite a few more stories I could tell about other junk dell computers which I've seen in the past.

On the other hand dell repair will send you a new drive pretty quick, and replacing new drives is kind of a snap, but you do have to talk to some random indian for like 5 hours first.

IBM is definately the best of any model you posted, however, they are also by far the most expensive. If you like OS X, the Macs aren't a bad way to go, I've repaired one here with a really wierd battery problem, but it was fixed relatively quickly by apple and I consider it to be a wierd glitch.

If you don't mind getting laptops from small non-notable companies, there are a lot of good things to be said about companies such as Sager www.powernotebooks.com[/url] and Uniwill [url]www.IBuyPower.com/[/URL] both websites are for resellers of the Sager and Uniwill models, not the actual companies. I currently own an IbuyPower S-Turbo Series of the Uniwill model, very nice laptop and I've had no problems with it since i got it in August.

~Lyuokdea

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Toshiba makes some great laptops imo

The_Professional said:
IBM laptop

Pros - Great performance, embedded security features (locks your data, helping to provide user authentication and data protection) The ability to recover your files with the push of a button. Hard drive braces for impact if you drop it.

Cons - Can get very expensive, especially when you go the thin and light route. Not for gaming
Another con for IBM laptops might be that they no longer exist.

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I forget what company bought out the IBM PC, some chinese company. Maybe they will continue to carry the laptops.

Greg Bernhardt said:
I forget what company bought out the IBM PC, some chinese company.
The link says, "Lenovo and IBM: how smart!"

Maybe they will continue to carry the laptops.
That's the plan - but when you buy an IBM laptop, you won't be getting an IBM laptop.

And, yes, Lenovo will be branding its computers "IBM," though IBM won't have anything to do with making them:
http://www.compliancepipeline.com/55301163 [Broken]

• Other solution providers hoped that the IBM-branded systems from Lenovo would benefit from reduced manufacturing costs that would make them a more aggressive player in the PC market.

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r3dxP
Ah.. I liked my IBM thinkpad series with slackware on it, but i guess i wont be buying another thinkpad.. :-( Any suggestions on what brand i should get if im planning on running linux on it?

Also, if you had money, would you think about getting an alienware Area51 ?

graphic7
Gold Member
r3dxP said:
Ah.. I liked my IBM thinkpad series with slackware on it, but i guess i wont be buying another thinkpad.. :-( Any suggestions on what brand i should get if im planning on running linux on it?

Also, if you had money, would you think about getting an alienware Area51 ?
If you want something UNIX-like, go with an ibook. You'll have a solid FreeBSD foundation to boast.

"I forget what company bought out the IBM PC, some chinese company. Maybe they will continue to carry the laptops."

I dont think they were bought out, AFAIK it was more like a statigic (or not so statigic, which is usually the case with IBM) partnership. IBM are trying to focus on there "core compitancies" like there consulting services (which they are good at).... They also seem to be going toe to toe with Sun, ie IBM low end servers running GNU Red Hat against Sun Blades running (GNU (but not as we have ever known it!!! ;-) ) Solaris... We will see who wins...

graphic7
Gold Member
Anttech said:
"I forget what company bought out the IBM PC, some chinese company. Maybe they will continue to carry the laptops."

I dont think they were bought out, AFAIK it was more like a statigic (or not so statigic, which is usually the case with IBM) partnership. IBM are trying to focus on there "core compitancies" like there consulting services (which they are good at).... They also seem to be going toe to toe with Sun, ie IBM low end servers running GNU Red Hat against Sun Blades running (GNU (but not as we have ever known it!!! ;-) ) Solaris... We will see who wins...
That's a joke - pitting GNU Red Hat against an industrial-grade OS, like Solaris. Not to get off topic, but the upcoming release of Solaris 10 looks very promising. No other OS has a system analysis tool/debugger like 'dtrace.' IBM might win cost-wise, but Solaris is hands down a better operating system than any non-standards compliant OS, like Linux distributions. IBM should keep with their gold - AIX.

Blades are not low-end servers, by the way. They are high-end workstations.

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Alienware anything is the best.

Lyuokdea said:
If you don't mind getting laptops from small non-notable companies, there are a lot of good things to be said about companies such as Sager www.powernotebooks.com[/url] and Uniwill [url]www.IBuyPower.com/[/URL] both websites are for resellers of the Sager and Uniwill models, not the actual companies. I currently own an IbuyPower S-Turbo Series of the Uniwill model, very nice laptop and I've had no problems with it since i got it in August.

~Lyuokdea[/QUOTE]

I remember getting a desktop on one of those no name companies similar to the one you mentioned. ABS PC to be specific. A year and a half later and after $600 in repairs and new hardware the thing is still sitting in my room. Dead I would highly caution anyone on buying [i]anything[/i] on one of those small, no name companies. They don't last long and they're usually made on someone's dirty basement with very poor quality control. My Dell laptop has been around for 2 1/2 years now and have never had any kind of problems. Last edited by a moderator: The_Professional said: I remember getting a desktop on one of those no name companies similar to the one you mentioned. ABS PC to be specific. A year and a half later and after$600 in repairs and new hardware the thing is still sitting in my room. Dead

I would highly caution anyone on buying anything on one of those small, no name companies. They don't last long and they're usually made on someone's dirty basement with very poor quality control. My Dell laptop has been around for 2 1/2 years now and have never had any kind of problems.
I would disagree, first off, it is really impossible to build a laptop in a basement operation, the uniwill model that I have, for instance, has a videocard to monitor interface that is specific to the laptop. That is common operation for all laptop and requires and industrial plant capable of making microchips.

It's too bad that ABS didn't work out for you, but from my experience, I know about 5 people who own a laptop from one of the two companies I've mentioned, none have had any problems, and meanwhile I'm fixing laptops from other well-known companies all of the time, dells specifically. Maybe the companies I've mentioned aren't better than large companies, but they are surely on the same level and are not produced in somebody's basement.

~Lyuokdea

Lyuokdea said:
it is really impossible to build a laptop in a basement operation, the uniwill model that I have, for instance, has a videocard to monitor interface that is specific to the laptop. That is common operation for all laptop and requires and industrial plant capable of making microchips.
Electronics fab houses do work for hire. Send them your specs and they'll send you 10,000 video-interface units. Then you can assemble 10,000 laptops in your basement.

Electronics fab houses do work for hire. Send them your specs and they'll send you 10,000 video-interface units. Then you can assemble 10,000 laptops in your basement.
Think of the [email protected] work units you can complete with those!!! :surprised

Didn't Wallmart use to offer a cheap laptop with Linux on it?

That's a joke - pitting GNU Red Hat against an industrial-grade OS, like Solaris. Not to get off topic, but the upcoming release of Solaris 10 looks very promising
I aggree partially... It does look like sun are up for a fight tho, with there new "GNU" type licensing aggreement... but then again what is that all about, the licensing schema is not opensource as developers cant CHANGE anything, and Linux cant use any of solaris code... So its no use. Sun are trying to appeal to the open source community but they never will Comited to Open Source, just there profit margins

For anyone who is interested:
Slashdot
Cnet
I dont like sun personally, I think the majority of there products suck, (Solaris is an good OS tho) and they have treated Java VERY badly, by suing everyone left right and center for patent infringments... Plus IMHO its really slow on most OS's

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graphic7
Gold Member
Anttech said:
I aggree partially... It does look like sun are up for a fight tho, with there new "GNU" type licensing aggreement... but then again what is that all about, the licensing schema is not opensource as developers cant CHANGE anything, and Linux cant use any of solaris code... So its no use. Sun are trying to appeal to the open source community but they never will Comited to Open Source, just there profit margins

For anyone who is interested:
Slashdot
[URL [Broken][/URL]
I dont like sun personally, I think the majority of there products suck, (Solaris is an good OS tho) and they have treated Java VERY badly, by suing everyone left right and center for patent infringments... Plus IMHO its really slow on most OS's
I don't care much for Sun open-sourcing Solaris. I fail to see how it will better the product, and it could actually hurt the quality. Most open source operating systems will be ripping features out of Solaris (copying the concepts), and implementing them in their operating systems. 'dtrace,' I assume, will be the first target. One of the reasons I like Solaris is because I know it's not written by first-year computer science students, and I know it has a rich, stable history. I seriously hope that open-sourcing it does not hurt the quality.

I agree that Sun has not treated Java as well as they could've. I won't say they've done a terrible job, but clearly they could do more. J2EE is an excellent product, *if* Sun would promote it more.

Most corporate customers (the people that matter) already know about Sun. They know Solaris is a highly advanced and functional UNIX. It's the Linux zealot, famous-Solaris-moniker mumbling Sun bashers that Sun is intending to target with "open source Solaris."

Edit: I also wish Sun would promote their compilers much more than they currently do. Sun Studio is an excellent collection of decent compiles, far more decent than GCC. You can at least decypher a compile error with Sun's 'cc.' Even for x86, Sun has worked heavily on the x86 code generation, which will be a main feature of Sun Studio 10 (which is currently in beta testing). At the moment, Sun Studio 9, can compare to GCC's performance on x86 quite well.

Most of Sun's products I don't have a use for, like their Sun One LDAP server and their web server, but from what I've seen of Solaris and Sun Studio, I wouldn't assume the Sun One products are *all* terrible.

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The_Professional said:
I remember getting a desktop on one of those no name companies similar to the one you mentioned. ABS PC to be specific. A year and a half later and after \$600 in repairs and new hardware the thing is still sitting in my room. Dead

I would highly caution anyone on buying anything on one of those small, no name companies. They don't last long and they're usually made on someone's dirty basement with very poor quality control. My Dell laptop has been around for 2 1/2 years now and have never had any kind of problems.

AS far as desktops go i would never ever ever buy a pre built desktop PC. I haven't had one that i haven't built myself since i was 12. And especially never buy from Dell. I would go to Mac and give up any hop of ever seeing anoth computer game before i would get a Dell. Dell is the Walmart of PCs.

Laptops, unfortunatey i can't build my own, but i would still stay away from dell. And with what i've learned from vuilding desktops, myself i would find a place that would give me a custom to my specifications, it would be worth the cost. The less i rely on an assembly, all size fits one PC the better.