The best way to liquefy Ammonia

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The discussion revolves around the methods for liquefying ammonia vapor, particularly focusing on economic and energy-efficient approaches. Participants explore various techniques, including pressurization and the use of cold fluids, while considering the conditions under which ammonia exists.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that pressurization can liquefy ammonia by increasing gas pressure and subsequently cooling it down to the appropriate temperature/pressure ratio.
  • Another participant questions how to maintain low temperatures necessary for liquefaction, indicating a need for clarification on the conditions involved.
  • A different viewpoint proposes using a vacuum flask for insulation and circulating liquefied gas at -33°C, suggesting that expansion can be used to cool the gas/liquid.
  • There is mention of alternative methods such as using a Peltier module, though its efficiency is uncertain.
  • Participants are directed to investigate Linde's Process and Claude's Process for more technical details and schematics related to ammonia liquefaction.
  • One participant expresses a need for specific machinery and manufacturers that can produce equipment for liquefying ammonia.
  • References to industrial refrigeration units are made as a potential source for machinery related to ammonia liquefaction.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for liquefying ammonia, with multiple competing views and approaches presented throughout the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the efficiency of different methods and the specific machinery required for the liquefaction process. There are also assumptions about the conditions under which ammonia is being liquefied that remain unaddressed.

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Individuals interested in industrial refrigeration, chemical engineering, or those seeking methods for liquefying gases may find this discussion relevant.

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Suppose, there is an amount of Ammonia vapour at atmospheric pressure and very very close to the boiling point say at -33°C. I want to know what's the best way to liquefy the Ammonia in terms of economy and energy. I know that it can be liquefied with cold fluids like liquid Nitrogen etc., but what's the most economic way?
 
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Pressurization.
You increase the gass pressure, at which point gas temperature also rizes - and hence keeps NH3 in gaseous state.
You let the gass cool down and when the pressure/temperature ratio falls to the right ratio the NH3 liquefies.
 
I can understand, but how to maintain the temperature at such low level.
 
You said you already have NH3 at -33°C, i presumed you meant at some high altitude (or polar region) which means you just need to keep the gass there.

If you are in STP conditions, you would need a well made vacuum flask for insulation, and you can keep it cool by circulating liquefied gas at -33°C inside it. To cool that cooling gass/liquid you use expansion.

An alternative would be to use a peltier module but i think efficiency would be lower (i'm not sure though) than with the above method.
 
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The Ammonia is at -33°C doesn't mean that the surrounding temperature is like this. This simply means that the Ammonia to be liquefied is at -33°C i.e. very close to its boiling point at atmospheric pressure. Question is what's the best and energy efficient way to liquefy the Ammonia. Kindly clarify what do you mean by using expansion. Can you suggest some kind of machinery that can do the job?
 
Check Linde's Process and Claude's Process. You will find patents and blueprints/schematics for both on google.

Expansion - when you increase the volume of a gas while keeping its mass the same its temperature decreases. Return the process for increassing the temperature.
Most modern refridgeration and air conditioning systems work in this manner.
 
Thanks! But I need machinery and information about what kind of manufacturers can make such machinery.
 
Ammonia is used as the refrigerant in low temperature chillers. Just google for that.
 

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