The Connection Between Slope and Derivatives: Understanding the Relationship

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between derivatives and slopes, particularly focusing on the interpretation of the derivative as the slope of a tangent line to a curve. Participants are exploring the nuances of these concepts and questioning the original poster's understanding of limits and slopes in this context.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the distinction between the slope of tangent lines and secant lines, as well as the meaning of limits in relation to derivatives. There is also confusion regarding the terminology used, particularly the concept of "limit of the slope."

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and attempting to clarify misunderstandings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of slope and the nature of limits in the context of derivatives, but there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's confusion.

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There appears to be a misunderstanding regarding the terminology and concepts related to slopes and derivatives, particularly in the context of non-linear functions. The original poster's question may stem from a lack of clarity on these definitions.

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If there is an equation for a curve, its derivative will be the slope of the tangent.
Also, the derivative of a function is the limit of its slope.

What I understand from this is that (slope of tangent)=(limit of the same slope)

But this is wrong (right?). Please explain the mistake here.
 
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The derivative is the limit of the difference quotient. You can call this limit the slope. I have no idea what you mean by 'limit of the slope'.
 
Dick said:
The derivative is the limit of the difference quotient. You can call this limit the slope. I have no idea what you mean by 'limit of the slope'.

Even so, I still can't understand the mistake I made.
 
You're not taking the limit of the slope of tangent lines. You're taking the limit of the slope of secant lines. The secant line between points A and B has a slope that, in the limit that A and B come together, is the tangent line slope.
 
Swetasuria said:
Even so, I still can't understand the mistake I made.

What mistake? The limit of the derivative is not necessarily the derivative of the limit, which is the best way I can think of to make sense of your question. Take x^2*sin(1/x^2). It has a derivative at x=0. The limit of the derivative as x->0 doesn't exist.
 
Your mistake is talking about the "slope" of a function at all. "Slope" is only defined for lines. If a function is linear, then its graph is a straight line and so its graph (not the function) has a slope. If a function is not linear, then its graph is NOT a straight line and neither the graph nor the function has a "slope". We can, at each point, draw a line tangent to the graph and talk about its slope.
 

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