The convergence of a numerical series

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a numerical series, specifically examining the behavior of terms involving sine functions and their asymptotic properties as n approaches infinity. The original poster presents their reasoning regarding absolute convergence and compares it with a solution from a textbook.

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  • Participants question the validity of the original poster's reasoning about asymptotic equivalence and convergence. They discuss the implications of terms approaching limits and the necessity of understanding the rate of convergence. Some suggest that more rigorous inequalities could be applied to demonstrate non-convergence.

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Homework Statement
Look at the image
Relevant Equations
Absolute convergence.
Greetings
here is the exercice
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My solution was
as n^2+n+1/(n+1) tends asymptotically to n then the entire stuffs inside the sinus function tends to npi which make it asymptotically equal to sin(npi) which is equal to 0 and consequently the sequence is Absolutely convergent

Here is the solution of the book
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I do unsderstand it very well but I need to know where my logics has failed me in my attempt
thank you!
 
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To say that the terms are asymptotically equal to something does not say enough. It doesn't say how fast it approaches that limit. For instance, ##\sum{1/n}## doesn't converge even though ##1/n## approaches 0 asymptotically.
 
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You can make the non-convergence rigorous by using the inequality <br /> \sin x &gt; \frac{2}{\pi} x, \qquad 0 &lt; x &lt; \frac\pi 2. Then \sum_{n=0}^N \sin\left(\frac{\pi}{n+1}\right) &gt; \sin\left(\frac{\pi}1\right) + \sum_{n=1}^N \frac{2}{n+1} = 2\sum_{n=2}^{N+1} \frac 1n which diverges.
 
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Amaelle said:
Homework Statement:: Look at the image
Relevant Equations:: Absolute convergence.

My solution was
as n^2+n+1/(n+1)
You need more parentheses here. Taken literally, the above means
##n^2 + n + \frac 1{n + 1}##, which you surely didn't intend.
If you don't use Tex, it should be written as (n^2 + n + 1)/(n + 1).
 
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FactChecker said:
To say that the terms are asymptotically equal to something does not say enough. It doesn't say how fast it approaches that limit. For instance, ##\sum{1/n}## doesn't converge even though ##1/n## approaches 0 asymptotically.

I wanted to say as
sin[pi*((n^2+n+1)/(n+1)]≈sin[pi*((n^2)/(n)]≈sin[pi(n)] and we know the serie ∑sin[pi(n)] converges SO IS MY SERIE
 
Once again, your "##\approx##" is not enough. It depends on how fast the terms on the left come close to the terms on the right. Consider ##1/n \approx 0## as ##n## gets large. But ##\sum{0}## converges while ##\sum{1/n}## diverges to ##+\infty##.
 
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