The curvature and size of the Universe

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The discussion revolves around the curvature and size of the universe, specifically in relation to the density parameter Ωκ as reported by the Planck 2018 results. Participants explore theoretical implications of this data, including potential topologies of the universe and calculations related to its size and curvature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the Planck 2018 results, noting that Ωκ=0.001±0.002, and question whether this allows for determining the maximum positive curvature and corresponding radius of a 3-sphere.
  • Others challenge the assumption that the universe is a 3-sphere, suggesting alternative topologies such as a hyper toroid.
  • One participant proposes that the only topology consistent with positive curvature, homogeneity, and isotropy is a 3-sphere.
  • There is a discussion about the minimum size of the universe based on the data, with one participant citing a Forbes article that claims the unobservable universe must be at least 23 trillion light years in diameter.
  • Another participant calculates the radius of curvature using the formula R_c=c/H_0 * 1/√|Ω_k|, leading to a discussion about discrepancies in derived values and the implications for the size of the universe.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between the radius and diameter of the universe, with corrections and clarifications being made throughout the conversation.
  • One participant critiques a statement made by a physicist regarding the uncertainty in curvature measurements, arguing that it contains fundamental errors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the topology of the universe and the implications of the curvature measurements. There is no consensus on the nature of the universe's curvature or the validity of certain claims made regarding its size and topology.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the uncertainty in the curvature measurements complicates conclusions about the universe's shape and size. The discussion includes various interpretations of the data and its implications, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

  • #31
Hornbein said:
It could be said, but it would be wrong. The volume inside of a sphere in a positive curvature space is less than in a flat space.
But of course! I don't know what I was thinking!
 
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  • #32
Hornbein said:
It could be said, but it would be wrong. The volume inside of a sphere in a positive curvature space is less than in a flat space.
If the universe is flat, the volume of the observable universe (radius Ro = 46 Gly) is:

## \dfrac 43 \pi R_0^3 = 407,720 ~ Gly^3 ##

What would be its volume if the universe is spherical with curvature radius Rc = 459Gly?
 
  • #34
Jaime Rudas said:
If the universe is flat, the volume of the observable universe (radius Ro = 46 Gly) is:

## \dfrac 43 \pi R_0^3 = 407,720 ~ Gly^3 ##

What would be its volume if the universe is spherical with curvature radius Rc = 459Gly?
I found that the volume of a sphere in a 3-spherical space is:

##V(r)=2\pi R^3 \left ( \dfrac r R-\dfrac{\sin \dfrac{2 r}R}2 \right )##

Where r is the radius of the sphere and R is the radius of curvature of the 3-spherical space.

For r=46 Gly and R=459 Gly, V=406,902 Gly³

The derivation of the formula can be seen in:

https://forum.lawebdefisica.com/for...-en-geometría-no-euclidea?p=361848#post361848
 
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Thread has been cleaned up and is now reopened.
 
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