The definition of the proper time

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The discussion revolves around the concept of proper time in the context of special relativity, specifically questioning how proper time is defined in relation to different frames of reference, such as that of an observer and a moving train.

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  • Participants explore the definition of proper time and its relation to different frames of reference, questioning whether the proper time is the time measured on the train or by an observer. There is also a discussion about the conditions under which proper time is defined, particularly in relation to events on a worldline.

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Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the definition of proper time, noting that it is measured by a clock moving along a specific worldline. There are ongoing questions about how this relates to coordinate time in different frames, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is an acknowledgment of varying levels of understanding among participants, with some expressing their beginner status in the topic. Additionally, there are indications that the problem statement may not be clearly articulated, leading to further discussion about its interpretation.

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Homework Statement
An observer in the rest frame sees a train go by at 0.99c and a clock on the train counts 2.0s.How much time has elapsed in the observers frame of reference?
Relevant Equations
t=dt*(1-v^2/c^2)^0.5
I wonder what is the proper time, the time passed on the train or the time of the observer?
If there is another people on the train, we see the train as a frame, so is the time on the train the proper time or the time of rest frame?
 
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shallod said:
I wonder what is the proper time, the time passed on the train or the time of the observer?
If there is another people on the train, we see the train as a frame, so is the time on the train the proper time or the time of rest frame?

I'm conscious that I'm still a beginner in this topic too (so please take this with a grain of salt!), however as far as I am aware the proper time between two events on a worldline is defined as the time measured by a clock moving along that worldline; in other words ##\Delta x##, ##\Delta y## and ##\Delta z## are zero in the spacetime interval expression. In this case, the two events could be the second hand of the clock in the train reaching ##0\text{s}## and the second hand reaching ##2\text{s}## - so which frame measures proper time?

Edit: Please see Orodruin’s answer
 
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The problem statement is not entirely well written. Supposedly you are being asked for the coordinate time difference in the observer’s rest frame between the events where the clock shows t and t+2 s. Proper time is not related to any frame, it is the time measured by a clock following a particular world line. However, the coordinate time difference between two events on an observer’s world line in that observer’s rest frme is by definition equal to the proper time between the events.
 
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Orodruin said:
Proper time is not related to any frame

I learned something as well today!
 

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