The demonizing of Michael Vick and dog fighting: hypocrisy at its finest

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The forum discussion centers on the hypocrisy surrounding the condemnation of Michael Vick for dog fighting while ignoring the cruel treatment of livestock in the meat industry. Participants argue that practices such as pulling teeth and cutting tails of pigs without anesthetic are equally torturous, questioning societal norms that deem certain animal abuses acceptable. The conversation emphasizes the need for introspection regarding personal dietary choices and the treatment of animals, advocating for humane practices in farming and a shift in societal attitudes towards all animals.

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LightbulbSun said:
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o boy...

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devil-fire and moe.

You continually say how things should be natural and happy.
Why is it that we have canines and incisors?
 
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  • #33
Mk said:
devil-fire and moe.

You continually say how things should be natural.
Why is it that we have canines and incisors?

I'm not a vegetarian. I never said natural (everything is natural). I'm talking about our responsibility to treat others with compassion and respect, and about our inability for introspection and susceptibility to irrationality.— and Lighbulbsun has generously offered himself as an example.
 
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moe darklight said:
o boy...

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This is a sign of a man who has nothing to say.
 
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  • #35
moe darklight said:
I'm not a vegetarian. I never said natural (everything is natural). I'm talking about our responsibility to treat others with compassion and respect, and about our inability for introspection and susceptibility to irrationality.— and Lighbulbsun has generously offered himself as an example.

Right. Because if you wanted to make me an example you would at least reply to my last post. Oh wait, you didn't. So let me get this straight, you want us to accept Michael Vick and his petty dog fighting because we ourselves have people slaughter animals for us to eat?
 
  • #36
devil-fire said:
are you saying it is acceptable to torture animals because one way or another, we have to kill something to survive? and at the same time, objecting to dog fighting because it is unnecessary and ultimately inhumane? I'm trying to better understand your opinions on this

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the following:

  • You cannot juxtapose a process we use to create food and someone's sadistic hobby
  • Vegetarians need to get off their imaginary moral cloud because they too must eat a living thing
  • Complex problems are complex. You can't just scream mantras that have a positive tone behind them and then say 'Look Here! See how simple that was?!'
 
  • #37
LightbulbSun said:
This is a sign of a man who has nothing to say.

actually it's a visual pun which could take two meanings— one being an attack on your argumentation skills, and the second a blatant ad-hominem attack on your person (since you already got the ball rolling on those)... I usually wouldn't've, but I'm in a bit of an impish mood lately and decided to go for it.

as for having anything to say. It's true: I had nothing more to say. I've already said enough and I couldn't possibly answer your previous posts without repeating myself... which would be pointless seeing as you obviously don't bother to read other people's posts anyway.
 
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moe darklight said:
actually it's a visual pun which could take two meanings— one being an attack on your argumentation skills, and the second a blatant ad-hominem attack on your person (since you already got the ball rolling on those)... I usually wouldn't've, but I'm in a bit of an impish mood lately and decided to go for it.

I obviously knew what the picture meant. I was just saying that since that was all you posted that you had nothing to refute, and therefore nothing to add. Why is that?

as for having anything to say. It's true: I had nothing more to say. I've already said enough and I couldn't possibly answer your previous posts without repeating myself... which would be pointless seeing as you obviously don't bother to read other people's posts anyway.

This discussion is obviously pointless since you don't bother to accurately interpret my posts.
 
  • #39
LightbulbSun said:
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the following:

  • You cannot juxtapose a process we use to create food and someone's sadistic hobby


  • i think that in several cases, the process used to create food is unnecessarily impartial in regards to the well being of the animal before it is slaughtered. i think that it is a cost saver to cut the tail off of a big and pull its teeth out well before it is about to be killed.

    i object stuff like this for the same reason i object to dog fighting, because i think it is unnecessarily and inhumane. I'm not saying it is unnecessary to eat meat, I'm just saying it is unnecessary to do things like pull an animal's teeth out and cut its tail off without anesthetic.
 

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